Is America the worst terrorist country in the world.

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Today at Stony Brook University they had some people speaking about why the war agaist afghanistan is wrong, and how we should change our policies, etc.

They said that millions of Iraq babies and children have starved to death because of us.

millions of people in south america have been victims of genocide, we gave the weapons to the leaders of the genocide.

Isreal kills thousand of palistians each year, and we support isreal with the weapons to do so.

millions of people around the globe are starving to death do to american cooporations taking advantage of their land.

thousands of yanomami tribe people in the south american rainforest have been killed and driven from their homes do to fast food corporations.

There were so many examples i cant even remember them all. I am going to do some research on the subject though.

Anyway they also said that bombing afghanistan is only killing more innocent people. A harsh winter is coming for afghanistan, and this war is only going to cause the suffering of millions of afganis.

Are we really the terrorist? If even 1/10 of the stuff i heard today is true, i think it is time for a revolution. Our gov’t should change the way it does things, and the heads of the coorporations should be put in jail for crimes against humanity. How can i support a gov’t that is causing the suffering of millions of people around the world.

And please no one call me unpatriotic or anything like that. I believe patriotism is to support your gov’t when it is doing something right, and to change it when it is doing something wrong. Right now i dont know what we are really doing, so i will research it a little bit. But i really hope all the stuff i heard today isnt true. Also, i am in no way justifying the acts of sept 11, so dont label me like that either.

For years, religion did nothing but divide. (killa priest)

Religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom. (killa priest)

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Yes. :smiley:

(Sorry, the joke is probably in bad taste, but I can’t even think about this kind of stuff anymore…it’s been haunting me for many weeks.

Ryu

“One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage.”

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I think you are seeing from both sides of the coin now. As a whole, we are all suffering beings in search of happiness. How sad it is, we kill and hurt others in that process… sometimes without knowing it.

You are brave with this one !

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Uuh ok, so do they think we should do nothing and just try to get used to black Tuesdays? No thanks.

Complements of Mousel’s:

What to do if you fall into a conversation with someone about the terrorist attacks who doesn’t believe in retaliation:

  1. Engage in conversation, and ask if military force is appropriate.

  2. When he says “No,” ask, “Why not?”

  3. Wait until he says something to the effect of - “Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence.”

  4. When he’s in mid sentence, punch him in the face… HARD!

  5. When he gets back up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would be awful and he should not cause more violence.

  6. Wait until he agrees, and has pledged not to commit additional violence.

  7. Punch him in the face again, harder this time.

Repeat steps 5 through 7 until he understands that sometimes it is necessary to punch back.

"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman
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i see your point but are we the ones “punching” the world in the face. Who are we punching back at. Killing hundreds and causing the suffering of millions of poor innocent people to find one man. Does that make much sense??? Is there no other way to do it?

Also, they did not say we should do nothing. They said we should force our gov’t and the major corporations to change their policies around the world. They believe that will end terrorism, end world suffering, and trully result in “justice for all.”

For years, religion did nothing but divide. (killa priest)

Religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom. (killa priest)

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DW, I went to SB, remember two things. One, never believe half the stuff you hear on that campus. Two the other half is crap too.

By the way, here’s a reminder of why we’re ruining the Talibans little bit o’ paradise.

It takes less than four Fuching weeks for people to start forgetting.

“Americans don’t have the courage to come here,” Mullah Mohammed Omar, leader of the Taliban who right about now is getting jiggy with his first of 70 virgins.

“Are you guys ready? Let’s roll.” Last words of Todd Beamer heard over his mobile line right before rushing a hijacker.

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>>Is there no other way to do it?<<

Here is an idea:

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Send more flags!

"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman
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Nice, very direct.

When you fight, fight. When you make war, make war.

These people made war on us on 9/11.
When you feel sorry for the people there. Get a tape of the 2 towers and watch it a couple of times. See if you can see some of the people jumping out of the towers.

Then check your gut, and see what do you think about people who use these type of arguments.

As for the rest of the world, we as a country give more aid then any other country in the world. We can not control how or what the aid is used for by those poor governments who can’t feed their own people, but seem to have very large armies.

return to the wheel of life, not ready yet

bamboo leaf

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Welcome back JJJ.

“Americans don’t have the courage to come here,” Mullah Mohammed Omar, leader of the Taliban who right about now is getting jiggy with his first of 70 virgins.

“Are you guys ready? Let’s roll.” Last words of Todd Beamer heard over his mobile line right before rushing a hijacker.

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actually i have not forgotten about sept 11. I think about it everyday, more than i would like to. I used to live in manhatten not to long ago. I know what a tragady that was and im not denying that. But what about the tragedies we have done to the world.

Also, i did a little research on the genocide issue. Two hundred thousands Mayans were murdered by the country of Guatemala. Not only were they killed but they were torn from their limbs, internal organs removed while they were still alive, etc. U.S.A. supported Guatamala with weapons and training in this genocide attempt.

WTF is up with that!!!

For years, religion did nothing but divide. (killa priest)

Religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom. (killa priest)

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Nope
Just cuz we want peace real bad don’t mean the rest of the world thinks the same way.
Notice how they only gave one side of all of those stories?
Notice how they encourage all of these “conspiracy theories”?

To the first part, I think a good 90% of American foreign policies and disasters are reactionary. If Iraq soldiers didn’t kill little Kuwaiti babies, their innocent babies wouldn’t have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. The Yanomami were genocized (is that a word?) by the Brazilian immigrants way before American fast food chains got there. The Palestinians were the first to declare war on the Israelis- a state made up of holocaust survivors- not 10 to 20 years after they entered the region. The Palestinians are also the first to bomb innocents once military stands down it’s guard.

To the second part, there is what is called a “free press” in america. I think the only major restriction anybody has tried to put on the press in this country is not to give out schematics to our military weapons, and report detailed information on troop positions and attack plans. There is a reason for this; and that is even the best football team in the world would have a hard time winning if it’s play book were open knowledge. We are the first country to air dirty laundary. Sometimes in order to interact with other governments, it helps when cutting deals not to publicize your “end of the bargain”. I just got done watching a long peace on the Voice of America radio program the other night. This is a “free press” radio station that broadcasts a pretty unbiased view of the news in the middle east and south asia. The Taliban & over 60% of the Muslim world has admitted to religiously tuning into these broadcasts; as they know their own to be 100% propaganda.

It’s sad that the world can’t be a nice place to live; but to automatically assume that our government is evil and out to harm everybody is irresponsible. Remember, our country was strictly isolationist until World Wars popped up and we realized that we had to take some part in foreign affairs, being as strong and powerful as we are. The US tries to be a world leader and an example for the rest of the world. Our country was founded on good ideologies, and although we have problems frequently, we do our best to fix them.

Targeting civilians is NOT the policy of the US government NOR the US military. We are SO stand-up, honorable, and open with our actions in this aspect that we have often paid the price. Back when the missiles were launched at bin laden’s camp years back, the reason they missed were a direct result of our policies and our humane nature. In order to maintain the element of suprise they were coordinating the missile attack, with another attack on another building- we waited for the civilians to leave that building before initiating both attacks and lost our window on the guy.

You CAN’T tell me that we are an evil country; when we suffer so much for doing what is right, and when EVERYONE ELSE OUT THERE makes a policy of doing so much worse. Accidents happen, we try to learn from them and grow. These peace people need to realize that not everyone shares their education, their standard of living, their intelligence, and ESPECIALLY not their ideologies.

Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

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Is there anybody on this forum that knows of any other horrible things we have done to the world? I am getting interested in this.

No one here thinks that we have to change our policies around the globe???

For years, religion did nothing but divide. (killa priest)

Religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom. (killa priest)

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Thx Rogue.

Dragon Warrior: Whatever.

Lots of Americans died so those losers up at Stony Brook University could sit around and spout off about what an evil country the US is. I’d like to see them go to Afghanistan and try to badmouth the Taliban. If they feel so strongly about it, maybe they should go over there and sign up in the Taliban army (or whats left of it LOL).

"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman
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actually jujitsu, these people had nothing bad to say about the constitution, and the freedom of speech. They believe that our constitution is the greatest in the world. But they said the problem was with the fact that the gov’t in america doesnt follow the constitution when it goes past it’s own borders.

Please no one get mad over this topic. I am just sharing a differnt point of view, i dont agree with it, but i am just interested in the knowledge that is there. However i cannot deny all of it to be false.

For years, religion did nothing but divide. (killa priest)

Religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom. (killa priest)

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“million” of iraqi children died because the US didn’t remove saddam from power. Saddam is still supported in Iraq because they have a common enemy–US. Don’t forget to blame the real bad guy–Saddam.

Israel is about the only US ally in mideast, the US objected when they were using American weapons for retaliation attacks. But the fact remains they’re our only ally.

“million” of people starve because US coporation? He has to be more specific on this one. Local gov’t want money in exchange of use of their land…, that’s suppose to help their people–ask that to whatever government in question.

Attack is happening now and quickly because winter is coming. The US is the largest source of humanitarian aid to Afghanistan. The UN relief worker will have trouble continuing their operation in Afghan if not for the US. The US is condemned for dropping bombs because they kill people (duh)…, and the US is condemned for dropping MRE’s because it’s propaganda. The US will probably be condemned if we drop leaflet telling the people we’re the great satan and the world’s biggest terrorists because that’d be too hypocritical.

Be more specific about the change in foreign policy he suggests. There’re two criticism of US policy–doing too much or too little. Arab-american or pro-west arabs likely criticis the US for not pushing for a democrocy in their countries. Hmm, the US did try that once in a little country called South Vietnam–not for oil, not for economical reason but for the preservation of democrocy and communist expansion. Odd, they didn’t support that war they’re suppose to spport because of draft. So are they criticising the US of doing too much? The biggest gun the US have in foregn policy is $$$$$$. Billions were given to governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia, but the governments were too corrupted and too repressive. The governments became enemy to the people and the friend of their enemy–US, also became an enemy. But America is too big, too powerful and too untouchable…, we very much became THE enemy.

The biggest propaganda is that all governments US give aid to is just puppet government of the US. Here’s one thing to get straight, it is THEIR government, THEIR country, THEIR people and THEIR land.

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ArtT
Good, you got some stuff I forgot. :slight_smile:

Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

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Weren’t the Mayans killing people long before the Europeans got to the Americas?

“Americans don’t have the courage to come here,” Mullah Mohammed Omar, leader of the Taliban who right about now is getting jiggy with his first of 70 virgins.

“Are you guys ready? Let’s roll.” Last words of Todd Beamer heard over his mobile line right before rushing a hijacker.

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Like I said, they should go sign up for the Taliban Army. The TA hasn’t been meeting their recruting quotas the last couple of weeks…

"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman
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rogue,

I’m not born here in the US, but it does seem true that many American have a short attention spend.

Richard Gere said we should love the terrorists because of it’s just bad karma. So sympathetic are those people that they’ll love the enemy to death. Peace is a very dedicated bussiness and it only take the action of one to screw up the system. Like the Chinese saying (and im translating literally here), the weak horse gets ridden.

NEVER FORGET!

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You’re right about that Art. I have one friend sending me quotes from Pravda of all places, as proof that we’re wrong to shut down the Talibans Peoples Paradise.

“Americans don’t have the courage to come here,” Mullah Mohammed Omar, leader of the Taliban who right about now is getting jiggy with his first of 70 virgins.

“Are you guys ready? Let’s roll.” Last words of Todd Beamer heard over his mobile line right before rushing a hijacker.