Sorry purists and MMA haters … but this is what Donnie Yen is up to these days…
http://www.dstryrsg.com/2011/10/amazing-donnie-yen-ushering-bjj-to-hk.html
That film was released before Ip Man.
Interesting choreography though.
[QUOTE=Runlikehell;1137430]That film was released before Ip Man.
Interesting choreography though.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t know that. Thanks.
No problem.
Finally a kung fu movie that makes the MMA-ists humid down below…LOL!
pardon?
Interesting that the guy who posted the vid says a combo of wing chun, wrestling and … could see most of that except for the wing chun LOL!!
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Finally a kung fu movie that makes the MMA-ists humid down below…LOL!
or give the purist a discomforting chill. 
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1137448]or give the purist a discomforting chill. :p[/QUOTE]
Not really. It just makes me laugh at how naive some people are.
The film studios in Hong Kong are run by businessmen (and not knuckleheads). They know that BJJ is “in” nowadays, so they have fused it into their kung fu fight scenes and apparently it has had the desired effect on the “MMA is best” community, seeing the number wet panties it has resulted in this forum.
So, if I were you I would not read too much into it…
Not really. It just makes me laugh at how naive some people are.
The film studios in Hong Kong are run by businessmen (and not knuckleheads). They know that BJJ is “in” nowadays, so they have fused it into their kung fu fight scenes and apparently it has had the desired effect on the “MMA is best” community, seeing the number wet panties it has resulted in this forum.
or maybe people are starting to wake up to understand. Of couse it’s just a movie and therefore should be treated as such but it has an underlying statement about people starting to realize things. anyways this is actually an older movie. Not very recent.
anyways believe what you want, I’m not going to change your mind, but maybe one day you will understand but I truely doubt it.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1137455]or maybe people are starting to wake up to understand. Of couse it’s just a movie and therefore should be treated as such but it has an underlying statement about people starting to realize things. anyways this is actually an older movie. Not very recent. [/QUOTE]
The Chinese kung fu masters of the past had to deal with ground fighters centuries before the Gracie’s “invented” ground fighting. Just in case you didn’t know, wrestling arts in China have been around a lot longer than the striking arts.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1137455]anyways believe what you want, I’m not going to change your mind, but maybe one day you will understand but I truely doubt it.[/QUOTE]
It is not about believing, it is about KNOWING. Knowing kung fu comes from PRACTICING kung fu. I practice it, you DON’T!
IT IS THAT SIMPLE!
Have you guys watched Killing Zone? Donnie yen’s fight vs sammo hung wasn’t pure kung fu, but i think its one of the best fighting scenes i’ve seen in a while. Anything to make the scenes entertaining, I say.
The Chinese kung fu masters of the past had to deal with ground fighters centuries before the Gracie’s “invented” ground fighting. Just in case you didn’t know, wrestling arts in China have been around a lot longer than the striking arts.
wrestling was the first fighting art. And I’ve never stated that gracies invented ground fighting all they did was present a new idea. glad we’ve covered the history of MA’s.
It is not about believing, it is about KNOWING. Knowing kung fu comes from PRACTICING kung fu. I practice it, you DON’T!
IT IS THAT SIMPLE!
say what you will. I’ve practiced KF for about 20 years now along with many other arts. I’m not going down this road of banter with you. Insult away maybe you’ll get banned again.
p.s. you find that clip of cma doing grappling and ground work I asked for?
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1137448]or give the purist a discomforting chill. :p[/QUOTE]
The word “purist” is a funny word. The attitude such as, “We don’t do this in our style …” is just blind loyality. How hard can it be to integrate “single leg” or “hip throw” into WC? It’s not that hard at all. The moment that 1 or 2 moves is introduced into the system, the associated skills will be pulled in too. It will definitely be an “enhancement” and not “water down”.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1137451]The film studios in Hong Kong are run by businessmen (and not knuckleheads). They know that BJJ is “in” nowadays, so they have fused it into their kung fu fight scenes and apparently it has had the desired effect on the “MMA is best” community, seeing the number wet panties it has resulted in this forum.
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See how much you can learn surfing the interw3bz while living in your mom’s basement practicing “authentic kung fu”?
Although it does have side effects, like the subconscious over-focus on “wet panties”.
Donnie Yen is Not WC purist!
Donnie Yen core style is not wing chun is it?
Yen first learn Wushu from his mother. then went to learn Tae Kwon Do.
Yen later went on to discover and to seek knowledge on other martial arts style, he would later obtain belts from judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and went on to study the art of parkour, wrestling, Muay Thai, kickboxing and boxing under various trainers.
Later on he added WC to his already extensive arsenal…
A purist is more a less a stand fighter who knows WC is system of upfright fighting styles. WC in it self is not a ground fighting style. If you feel you need ground experience thats what Wrestling or judo is for!
ne way if your looking to prove that WC guys need to add BJJ to their art…Try going to your local boxing Gym or Muay Thai Gym or even Kyoshukin Dojo and video tape your skills of submitting one of their top fighters. An post it for us to see and you will make a believer out of WC community!
[QUOTE=Sardinkahnikov;1137463]Have you guys watched Killing Zone? Donnie yen’s fight vs sammo hung wasn’t pure kung fu, but i think its one of the best fighting scenes i’ve seen in a while. Anything to make the scenes entertaining, I say.[/QUOTE]
SPL? (Saat Po Long). Great ending fight, yeah. Apparently the weapons fight against Wu Jing was completely improvised on the spot.
ne way if your looking to prove that WC guys need to add BJJ to their art…Try going to your local boxing Gym or Muay Thai Gym or even Kyoshukin Dojo and video tape your skills of submitting one of their top fighters. An post it for us to see and you will make a believer out of WC community!
Why not go to a WC kwoon and video that? Why do you need these other stylists to fight for you? Because your WC guys can’t fight (mine can BTW)?
90% of MMA fighters crosstrain MT and BJJ. You don’t know what you’re ranting about. We had a an MMA fight here of Tony Bonello (a BJJ/MMA fighter of questionable credentials) handily submitting John Wayne Parr, a top notch MT guy in anyone’s book, a few years back.
My WC instructor is also a Kyokushin black belt and BJJ brown belt. Perhaps I should post a vid of him submitting himself :rolleyes:
I’m not looking to prove anything, just get the usual suspects frothing at the mouth … at which I appear to have had some success
[QUOTE=anerlich;1137517]Why not go to a WC kwoon and video that? Why do you need these other stylists to fight for you? Because your WC guys can’t fight (mine can BTW)?
90% of MMA fighters crosstrain MT and BJJ. You don’t know what you’re ranting about. We had a an MMA fight here of Tony Bonello (a BJJ/MMA fighter of questionable credentials) handily submitting John Wayne Parr, a top notch MT guy in anyone’s book, a few years back.
My WC instructor is also a Kyokushin black belt and BJJ brown belt. Perhaps I should post a vid of him submitting himself :rolleyes:
I’m not looking to prove anything, just get the usual suspects frothing at the mouth … at which I appear to have had some success :p[/QUOTE]
When are you coming to Saint Louis. I would love to train with you. Show me some of your MMA skills. Ne way your more than welcome to make a believer if you can? I would love to see it. What I am saying is this! I never see local MMA fighters defeat local Kyokushin or Muay Thai guys…I just see other MMA guys defeating other mma guys. A WC guy who practices other arts gets defeated by a BJJ guy with some boxing background…Thats what i see…
I for one am not a purist. I love MMA…Its a fun sport…
But what i am saying is this out side of the sport of Tae Kwon Do, karate point fighting and MMA…true Purist dont really care how valuable or useful you try to deem MMA, BJJ or ground work. If a person dont like it they dont like it…A person has to have interest in an art for it to work!
If someone trains BJJ just because he thinks he needs it to be a fighter but has no love for the art…it will be usesless for him!
When are you coming to Saint Louis.
Never, most likely. The only people I know from there are you and Terence, neither of whom I GAF about. If I want a challenge, I train regularly with a couple of professional MMA fighters. Somehow I doubt you would present the same level of intensity.
I live in Sydney AUS. Why on Earth would I travel to a small city in the US to meet some random forum poster and try to change his uninformed opinions or accept some implicit challenge?
I would love to train with you. Show me some of your MMA skills. Ne way your more than welcome to make a believer if you can? I would love to see it.
I’m not looking for converts or external validation, or to convince anybody. I can’t see training with you would be a learning experience for me on any level. There is ample opportunity for you closer to home. Go to Vegas or SoCal, plenty of top flight MMA gyms closer to you than me. Go show them how deluded they are.
What I am saying is this! I never see local MMA fighters defeat local Kyokushin or Muay Thai guys…I just see other MMA guys defeating other mma guys. A WC guy who practices other arts gets defeated by a BJJ guy with some boxing background…Thats what i see…
Doesn’t really sound like you’ve looked. Not with any objectivity, anyway.
I for one am not a purist. I love MMA…Its a fun sport…
Even though " I never see local MMA fighters defeat local Kyokushin or Muay Thai guys…I just see other MMA guys defeating other mma guys. A WC guy who practices other arts gets defeated by a BJJ guy with some boxing background…Thats what i see…"
If someone trains BJJ just because he thinks he needs it to be a fighter but has no love for the art…it will be usesless for him!
You have to “love” BJJ to get a purple belt, let alone brown or black. “Love” isn’t a word I’d use concerning activities, but I do find BJJ captivating and fascinating … and so apparently does BJJ purple belt Donnie Yen.
You remain a hater … you’ll only ever be a hater.