I’ve been hearing more and more about non-ejacualtion and how it aids internal skill and development. Does anyone know where I can get information about it on the web or something? Does anyone have info or an opinion they’d like to share?
I practiced it a few years ago. Trying to hold out for about two weeks at a time. Once I was into it, it wasn’t hard at all. But once you give in, go to any porno or just hitting clubs looking for chicks, its all over.
What did I get out of it? I was very clear. I was very in tune; not out of sink. Things, answers, came to me. Like I was bein driven. It was the most productive time of my life (though maybe because I just graduated college and had to change anway) in terms of being pointed in a direction and realizing it was the one I always wanted.
Later, up to a month ago actually, I slipped in this practice for reasons unclear to me. Maybe I was unhappy and needed a distraction.
Anyway, a few weeks ago my master said this in regards to sperm: “One drop of sperm is like 10 drops of blood.”
He explained how reproduction, regeneration of the species, is always the number one priority. So spilling this takes up energy to focus on replacing.
Now, when you feel all good and relaxed, think of what you see behind being multiplied by 10, and red, your blood. Not healhty to loose thatmuch that often.
I’m back on track and feeling good.
I actually had sex the other day, after a 7 or 8 day break (hey’ its a start). My ***** was no sensitive to the touch afterwards. In fact, still quite strong and ready.
I put it away.
I’m trying to get back to at least a 13 day hold off for my age now. I’m sure I’ll learn more with time.
I have an opinion:
Yes, the skill may exist, but maybe you don’t want it that bad.
They say the Golden Bell can drive you crazy.
I know from experience that connecting the orbits will make you sicker than a dog.
Do you really want to give up sex for 3 years to get the lower basin?
Chinese Medicine
dictates that Jing (our constitutional/life long energy) is housed in the Kidneys and represents in very much the same way as a battery does i.e. Kidneys are our battery and when the Jing is all used up the battery is dead, thus we die . Normally Jing depletes with age and/or serious illness or other lifestyle factors. Excess or even moderate depletion of semen through ejaculation depletes the level of Jing from the Kidneys, so it is like wearing down a battery uneccessarily. Other things can wear down the battery of the Kidneys before its time, but Chinese Medicine says that ejaculation and the loss of semen depletes our Jing quite heavily thus is the reason it is said why the Taoists practiced semen retention exercises whilst mking love to preserve their health on into old age. Excess sex in Chinese Medicine in men is definitely considered a symptom of premature ageing and other Kidney deficiencies, such has greying hair, losing teeth and brittle/weakening bones. Read a general book on Chinese Medicine about Jing and you will get a broader and more detailed picture about Jing and sex.
What lineages/kwoons are associated with these practices?
Does this have to do with hanging weights from the testicles as well, or is that something else?
What is the “lower basin”?
Is this a hsing i thing? a pakua thing? a taichi thing?
How about baji and/or piqua?
I don’t ask too much detail as far as, where does this or that coem from. I’m relatively new, one year at a Chinatown school, one of a few non-asians. My master has proven to me numerous times that he a) doesn’t talk $hit, b) knows what he is talking about and c) is the real deal.
So when he speaks, I listen, and I do my best to follow his teachings. We haven’t goten into this as a coarse of study, it just came up one day (no pun intended).
Now, am I willing to give sex up for three years? Man, that’s a tough one. Honestly, if my teacher told me it was 100% necessary to obtain a higher level of skill – yes.
I don;t know how I’d do it, but where there is a will there is a way.
He hasn’t said that yet thought:)
Now, am I willing to give sex up for three years? Man, that’s a tough one. Honestly, if my teacher told me it was 100% necessary to obtain a higher level of skill – yes.
I dont think that is neccesary to not have sex for 3 years. I think it will naturally want to come out when you least expect it, like when you are sleeping. But if you develop your mind, you will be able to retain the “Jing”, as soon as you are about to expel, even in your sleep, and drive it into the rising path. But of course, it is not very good to just retain “Jing” if you havent had control over the path yet…
Trying to hold out for about two weeks at a time. Once I was into it, it wasn’t hard at all. But once you give in, go to any porno or just hitting clubs looking for chicks, its all over.
Many people meditate oneself as dead to understand why simply having sex is inadequate (for people who train this technique). Such as reflecting on oneself, as decaying, dying, and no longer desirable, no longer pretty good to look at. It is like hair, if it is on a beautiful woman, you think “how I like her hair”. When you find hair in your soup, suddenly, you are angered.
But I dont practise this 
man, I jerk off every day and see where my skills are. Yep, almost nonexsistant. So maybe it does have some truth in it. Of course, I can practice more.
I think like anything moderation is the key.
Is it a good idea to spank your monkey 3 times in an hour and then go to Taiji practice?
Probably not.
Can you have an active sex life and still become a good internal artist?
Most likely ,yes.
What I think most westerners fail to understand is that there is a whole cultural bias tied up in this question. Before the advent of modern medicine semen was considered some sort of magical substance. Now we know it is just seminal fluid, sperm and dna.
The problem is that even though we have this knowledge the previous idea of magic semen persisted so long in Chinese culture that even now people are reluctant to change these ideas. So you can ask your teacher and he’ll say “oh, yes…sex is bad for chi.” And you can ask how he knows and he’ll say “well, everyone know that.” You get the picture.
I mean come on (no pun intended) TCM also states that semen energy can be reabsorbed and sent up the spine to the brain.
Uh…ok.
Originally posted by Fu-Pow
[B]I think like anything moderation is the key.
I mean come on (no pun intended)
Uh…ok. [/B]
LOL @ Fu-Pow
i’d definitly give it up for 3 years to reach lower basin skills. i just started hearing about it 2 weeks ago and i haven’t squandered my semen since. i mean, i could still have sex, i just can’t cum right? same goes for spanking the monkey, i just can’t cum. i’ve been doing that and at first it was hard, but it’s gotten much easier.
t-minus 2 years, 11 months and 17 days till lower basin !
Fu Pow
you are incorrect in quoting that semen goes up to the brain. The Jing housed within the Semen is energetically redirected up the ascending channels to the brain. This is a very real act. Your generalised condemnation of TCM is unfortunately, for you, the Aegis in its own strong foundation. Do not believe that the onset of modern day western scientific models of explanantion finally laid all old well founded ancient systems of medicine to rest, quite the opposite in fact. In fact all it did was make itself another addition to the plethora of other systems of medicine. He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword!!
JustaMan - Celibacy/Internal Skills
For what it is worth, you may contact Thomas Richard Joiner. He is an Herbalist and Qigong Master. He sent me the formula I talked about a few weeks ago. If anyone can help you - he can. His email is tjseaofchi@aol.com
Have a good day.
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Has anyone heard or know of a way to have your cake and eat your coookies too?
In other words: Go all the way – all the way – bus still retain the portion that is needed.
I had to ask, after all, I’m an American … I don’t want to suffer.
No Jerking!!
Well, just thought I’d chime in with embarassing facts about my personal life to complete strangers!!
My personal best non-splooging: 37 days. I’m a young guy 27 years old, this was about a year ago. This was easier because my then-fiancee was out of the country.
In general, too much sex (like every day) makes me feel depleted.
I’m married. Twice a week on average. Depends on your partner too! You know how women are–sometimes they need alot, sometimes they don’t. If she’s on the rag, use the opportunity to replenish your store-no activity.
After approximately 10 days without, I feel energy flow into the pereneum. This greatly increases my ability to meditate and move energy throughout my body. I can’t shoot it out of my fingers or anything, though! Also, my leg endurance begins to increase.
I haven’t had too many good experiences with sperm retention during sex. Maybe I haven’t reached that level, but I prefer an all-or-none approach.
I found that changing my sexual habits made me a much calmer person, less prone to unwanted thoughts and impluses. I am much more energetic, and overall happier.
If you do want to practise this, you must avoid sexual thoughts, physical stimulation. Avoiding red meat and cigarettes will also help. It is useful to practice meditation or chi-gung, or yogic exercies. My favorite is repeating the Sun Salutation 12 times. I find this will calm you down if you are feeling a strong sex impluse.
The drop ’ o semen = 10 drops of blood rule comes from Indian esoteric practices. Check out http://www-ucpress.berkeley.edu:3030/dynaweb/public/books/south_asia/alter/@Generic__BookTextView/5075#X
Indian wrestlers also use Hasish to help control the sex drive. I think this is the case, if you use it that way. Getting high and reading a porno mag is obviously not going to help you.
Controlling sexual excess is not based solely on tradition! It has a lot to do with health and becoming a better fighter. Example: Muhummad Ali used to abstain from sex for 6 weeks before his fights. He made a statement along the lines of “Abstinence makes a great fighter.”
You can take less drastic steps. Start by never jerking off. After the addiction leaves you you will realize what a negative act this is. If you have nocturnal emissions as a result, that’s okay, as long as they aren’t too frequent. Don’t excessively fantasize or use sex as daily entertainment.
Practise your breathing!
Happy retention!
Do not believe that the onset of modern day western scientific models of explanantion finally laid all old well founded ancient systems of medicine to rest, quite the opposite in fact.
I will stand behind science because I believe it is the one method available to human beings that allows us to shed light on the true workings of the natural world.
While there may validity in some Chinese medical practices, for example herbal treatments, there is no intrinsic “method” by which to judge which practices work and those that don’t.
What criteria makes any one practice more valid than the next?
A lot of what qualifies as TCM seems to me to be common sense.
For example, semen retention is not unique to Chinese Medicine. Most highschool sports coaches also tell their players not to go have wild sex before a big game. Why? Because there are quantifiable physiological effects of hormone levels after sexual intercourse resulting in a loss of concentration and physical stamina.
Its not anything as mystical as “chi.”
But this could only be determined by science. The ancient Chinese would only see the effect and try to fit that effect in with their current philosophical framework. They may have occassionly found a remedy that actually worked but this was just a shot in the dark.
Fu Pow
It humours me that you refer to yourself as a Taoist Humanist rather. Taoism is as scientific as it gets!! How do you think the Taoists of old procured their information on practices in internal Alchemy and the such?? By their own personal research and development and registering results and modifying methodology. I like your slant in hypocrisy too, when one moment you uphold western science as being the be all and end alll yet a paragraph later you exclaim about what makes one method more valid than another??? Well can you tell me then?? Western thought is just that a thought. If you beleive that it explains things that don’t even feature in its sphere of recognition then be it upon your own head friend!! It’s just like a German to English translator trying to translate a worded document which is written Spanish. You can try your best to make it fit into your chosen model of understanding, but ultimately it won’t work. I too accept western science as I do eastern science, but I hold neither to high as to blind the other, why do you? Do you have enough theoretical and practical experience of both to warrant a valid decision in this area? Many do you know and many don’t.
western/eastern/northern/southern/blahblahblah
different maps describing the same territories 
taijiquan_student,
i said “t-minus” till ower basin, cuz that’s what water dragon said i’d get in 3 years. lower basin is walking with the thighs parrallel to the floor. i do know that much. i’ve gotten most of my info from that interview on jarek’s website, from a thread on this board a few weeks back and from the book Health, Sex and Longevity. i’ve wanted to learn more though. i know nothing more about lower basin than the bit Ma dropped in his interview. he says you can injure yourself tryin to get to lower basin without being celibant. i’m going to email that one guy dfe****o told about and see what he says. i’ll definitly relay the response onto this thread.
i don’t think giving up ejaculation is that hard. sex can still be had, like i said. i see the skill payoff for celibacy as a very acceptable trade for the skills that are told about.
fa jing,
do i really need to avoid sexual thoughts, and red meat? where did you get this info from? it’s been over 2 weeks and i feel stronger than i did. i woke this morning with 6 hours of sleep and felt fully rested (i’m usually a 7-8 hour sleeper). i’ve read that miles davis would avoid sex before a show, as he said he would have nothing to give to the crowd if he did have sex. i’ve read of taoists who practice semen retention, having alot of sex, just not cumming. i’m interested in your advice.
2 years, 11 months, 16 days left till i can walk under cars!
It humours me that you refer to yourself as a Taoist Humanist rather. Taoism is as scientific as it gets!!
I see Taoism as a kind of pseudo-science mixed with philosophy and religion.
Let me explain my handle for a minute. I think that for the most part ancient Taoists were really observant, smart, clever and thoughtful people and there is a wealth of information to learn from them (including things like personal philosophy, preventative medical practices and martial arts). However, because I subscribe to some of their principles and practices does not mean I buy into them all.
Ultimately because Taoism and TCM are largely subjective and experiential they can be abused. I believe whatever your personal beliefs are that first and for most you should be a humanist. This means that at the end of the day no matter what you believe human beings and the human condition should be at the forefront of concern.
For example, while you might see me learning meditation for the purpose of relaxation and focus you would never see me spending hour upon hour meditating to increase the strength of my “spirit body.” When I could be helping my fellow man.
This is my philosophy this is how I see things.
So how does my view of TCM fit in here? Well I think that there are some good preventative practices here. However, the humanist in me says that people should not be putting too much stock in things that we can’t measure. Especially , when scientifically sound medical treatment is available. Do I believe in Chi? I’m very skeptical. As far as MA’s go I think you can chalk most of what is supposed to be “Chi” as good body mechanics.
Now back to the question of celibacy.
I don’t believe that my fellow humans should for go a natural and beautiful thing like sex to chase after something vague like Chi.