[QUOTE=Hendrik;938994]See, we cant train in two totally opposite direction and makes them work in the same body.[/QUOTE]Nonsense. They’re very different, but they’re not opposite directions at all. I can train yoga and it doesn’t interfere with my wing chun. I can train tai-chi and it doesn’t interfere with wing chun. I can train kyokushin and it doesn’t interfere with wing chun. I could even train goju and it wouldn’t interfere, despite having at least superficially similar stances yet having hard conditioning and weights.
And yes I know tai chi has many parallels with wing chun but it too has many differences and is much closer to the aim of practising wing chun so there is much greater potential for confusion than with weightlifting and practising wing chun.
Nonsense. They’re very different, but they’re not opposite directions at all.
I can train yoga and it doesn’t interfere with my wing chun.
I can train tai-chi and it doesn’t interfere with wing chun.
I can train kyokushin and it doesn’t interfere with wing chun.
I could even train goju and it wouldn’t interfere, despite having at least superficially similar stances yet having hard conditioning and weights.
And yes I know tai chi has many parallels with wing chun but it too has many differences and is much closer to the aim of practising wing chun so there is much greater potential for confusion than with weightlifting and practising wing chun.
Sure, according to you you certainly right.
however, according to the TCMA expert such as WXZ that is not the case.
BTW
one’s training is either a hard bow or a soft jin cant be both.
doing both default to hard bow which soft jin never could be reached.
from your description above you are within the Hard Bow region and it doesnt matter you train in Kyokushin, WCK, Taiji, Yoga…etc.
The principled approach I use as follows; firstly, I take the activity that I am trying to improve. As well as analyzing it as a kinetic chain I also break it down to its smallest components. For instance, you can take a straight lead punch in its ‘wholeness’ as well as view it in terms of e.g. the step, the drop in weight over the lead leg, hip and shoulder rotation, extension of arm, structural integrity/alignment of wrist and elbow… etc etc.
Once I have a breakdown of the whole and dissected components of the motion, the formula I use is a simple one; ‘how do I train the same motion, using the same dynamic, but load it with weight or resistance in the opposing plane of motion that the action uses?’
To give you some idea of where this leads some of the tools I rely upon to provide resistance include, 2lb dumbells, resistance/rubber bands (like bicycle inner tubes), weighted vest, heavy bag.
And according to you, what part of my descriptions tell you I’m ‘hard bow’?
I practice yoga at least once, sometimes twice a day, MA about once every other day, and weightlifting max 4 times a week. I can’t do weightlifting if I neglect my yoga because of various injuries. My MA is all about moving with efficiency: how to hang my meat off my structure. I have tried bong sao ‘exercises’ and lop sao ‘exercises’ on a cable machine: it doesn’t work to make you stronger in a way useful to martial arts (though it is useful for testing imbalances in stance under pressure to some extent).
So how am I ‘hard bow’?! (And what is ‘hard bow’?! )
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;939048]And according to you, what part of my descriptions tell you I’m ‘hard bow’?
I practice yoga at least once, sometimes twice a day,
MA about once every other day, and weightlifting max 4 times a week.
I can’t do weightlifting if I neglect my yoga because of various injuries.
My MA is all about moving with efficiency: how to hang my meat off my structure.
I have tried bong sao ‘exercises’ and lop sao ‘exercises’ on a cable machine: it doesn’t work to make you stronger in a way useful to martial arts (though it is useful for testing imbalances in stance under pressure to some extent).
So how am I ‘hard bow’?! (And what is ‘hard bow’?! )[/QUOTE]
Seriously, I am not picking at you but speaking the truth.
Hard bow is a chinese MA term on develop muscle, sinew, bone via excercise it, tensing it… dynamic tension…etc
Why I know? because your dont have any signature of soft jin training but hard bow training signatures.
BTW. Yoga is hard bow in general.
Soft Jin deal with multi-dimentional force vectors.
I am by no means an expert in MA, but wouldn’t the (simple) answer be weight/resistance training, heavy bag work and mastering your technique/form?
Follow that, you’ll probably do at least as well as you would following all of the more “traditional” and “sophisticated” advice given above.
You’d also want some drills to learn timing for the kicks, some set-ups, and sparring ot get timing and dynamic distancing.
Mr Punch is right about stretching methodology. My point is that most people don’t bother to stretch at all, and some stretching is better than none. My experience is that Pavel can be a bit too gung-ho - I ripped a hamstring once doing hard PNF stretches and it took nearly a year to get all the flexibilitiy back again. I still do PNF, but no longer trying for mximial tension in the stretched muscle. I realise my mistake was a technical one, but IMO at the extreme end of this training the margin for error is too small and the risk too big. YMMV.
I agree techniique is very important, but seeking perfect form can sometimes impede effectiveness. Performance overrides precision.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;939052]Hard bow is a chinese MA term on develop muscle, sinew, bone via excercise it, tensing it… dynamic tension…etc
Why I know? because your dont have any signature of soft jin training but hard bow training signatures.
BTW. Yoga is hard bow in general.
Soft Jin deal with multi-dimentional force vectors.[/QUOTE]Ahh, that makes perfect sense. And yes, I can understand how yoga can be put in with weight-training purely in terms of how you use the muscles.
I still reckon you can train both say, weights and wing chun, mind. And obviously would appreciate a translation of the above Chinese.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;939060]Ahh, that makes perfect sense. And yes, I can understand how yoga can be put in with weight-training purely in terms of how you use the muscles.
I still reckon you can train both say, weights and wing chun, mind. And obviously would appreciate a translation of the above Chinese.[/QUOTE]
1, there are hard bow and soft jin WCK.
2, any one wants to give a try on translate the chinese above?
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More WRONGNESS! If you don’t have the muscle strength to support your leg/arm in the full range of movement you will not be able to kick well and will have a much increased chance of injury. Of course form is important, but muscle strength is too. Kurz recommends (somewhat arbitrarily perhaps) that you should be able to do ten squats with your bodyweight on your back before you should try any kind of flexibility exercise[/QUOTE]
I read Kurz Stretching Scientifically as well. I’d say that’s very arbitrary!
Squats and flexibility exercises aren’t related for every movement.
A squat has a certain range of movement and a lot of leg stretches and kicks are in different unrelated ranges so it’s not going to help being a certain level of squat strength.
If you look at yoga, the standing poses are a combination of strength and a range of movement but a beginner only needs the strength to stand. Deeper versions of poses require more strength and ROM. e.g. Almost any person (weak/strong) can assume the starting standing position to enter hanumanasana (the splits) just by putting one foot in front of the other. They can initially use some sort of support with chairs for their arms if their legs are that weak or they are too high off the ground. It’s more important to build the strength to support yourself at that position.
Squats won’t help because it’s a unrelated position.
Learning to relax to develop striking power does NOT mean being floppy;
Since kinetic energy K=mvv/2, the more you utilize the mass of a weapon at a higher velocity, and the more energy it transfers during contact, the more damage it does to the target.
The way to do a relaxed strike is to “relax all the dead weight into” the target; avoid using antagonistic muscles maximizes the speed; and not tensing acts like a “Newton Cradle” which transfers all the energy into the target.
Analogy would be like using an axe to chop into a tree. It is relaxed power and not tense power; and let the weight of the ae head do the rest.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;939103]Learning to relax to develop striking power does NOT mean being floppy;
Since kinetic energy K=mvv/2, the more you utilize the mass of a weapon at a higher velocity, and the more energy it transfers during contact, the more damage it does to the target.
The way to do a relaxed strike is to “relax all the dead weight into” the target; avoid using antagonistic muscles maximizes the speed; and not tensing acts like a “Newton Cradle” which transfers all the energy into the target.
Analogy would be like using an axe to chop into a tree. It is relaxed power and not tense power; and let the weight of the ae head do the rest.
[QUOTE=LSWCTN1;939116]like systema practitioners advocate?[/QUOTE]It’s a very interesting method because they claim it is all about arm punching, something which most WCKers scorn.
if proper squats are done ie butt touches the floor. It will give the full range me motion. Power is a curve between strength and speed. But after the optimum ratio he you add ore strength or speed the power decrease. Meaning both have to be equal to get the best results. So the only way to increase power is but getting stronger and quicker. Power training is teaching all muscle fibres to fire at the same time, the weight depends if you work speed or strength ie 60 % rm for speed 80 % for strength.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;939060]I still reckon you can train both say, weights and wing chun, mind. And obviously would appreciate a translation of the above Chinese.[/QUOTE]Here you go Mr. P. Not perfect but it might make some sense.
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Breath naturally without tension. If you make this mistake then your whole body will tense, both strength (li/lik) and breath (qi/chi/hei) will be trapped in the body with no way out.
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The breath (qi/chi/hei) must not sink, he who sinks the power (jin/ging) becomes idle. The breath (qi/chi/hei) must not float, he who floats the power (jin/ging) becomes stiff.
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Therefore we say use natural deep abdominal breathing. Breath suffuses the entire body, the muscles warm up.
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The fist sayings state: “Use strength the strength dies, use breath the breath obstructs”. The “real breath” (zhenqi/zun hei) in the body must be transformed into actual power (zhenjin/zun ging).
[QUOTE=bennyvt;939121]if proper squats are done ie butt touches the floor. It will give the full range me motion. Power is a curve between strength and speed. But after the optimum ratio he you add ore strength or speed the power decrease. Meaning both have to be equal to get the best results. So the only way to increase power is but getting stronger and quicker. Power training is teaching all muscle fibres to fire at the same time, the weight depends if you work speed or strength ie 60 % rm for speed 80 % for strength.[/QUOTE]
Your butt CAN’T touch the floor on a squat.
Full range of motion for the aruat has been debated quite a bit, fact is, in virtually no know motion do we “full” Squat, either in every day life or athletic performance.
Even powerlfiters only break parallel.
That said, I do advocate going down as far as comfortable when doing squats.
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