How important is the third form?
We train at a slow pace and I probably won’t get to it for a while.
what’s your hurry?
Great first time post, by the way. Where u from?
From what I understand is the third form contains all the emergency nasty techniques and a lot go against the principles of wing chun but they’re there for those exceptional circumstances.
There are a lot of theories on the third form. Everybody has some idea of what it is suppose to do or be. I would say dont worry about it for now. The first form is the most important. Concentrate on this one and the rest will follow when you are ready!
your profile is odd… u enjoy guitar wanking? mmkay, anyway 3years and not near teh 3rd form, yeah that’s a bit slow, but i’m sure your sifu knows what he’s doing. it’s all cool, i wouldn’t worry about it for now.
not that i got to the 3rd form or anything 
Originally posted by Sharky
your profile is odd… u enjoy guitar wanking? mmkay, anyway 3years and not near teh 3rd form, yeah that’s a bit slow, but i’m sure your sifu knows what he’s doing. it’s all cool, i wouldn’t worry about it for now.
LOL! Yeah, I’m a guitar player in my spare time. Wanking in guitarspeak refers to the un-taoist practice of excessive playing at loud volumes!
I’ve been studying the Leung Sheung system and we do move slowly. Reason being that the first and second form are really the most important to develop a good foundation. Honestly, I’m still discovering and polishing elements of Sil Lum Tao on a daily basis!
I’m just curious about the theories behind the third form since I haven’t been exposed to it.
Re: what’s your hurry?
Originally posted by Alpha Dog
Great first time post, by the way. Where u from?
Thanks! I’m from Seattle.
Hey, it looks like im not the only wing chunner in the Seattle area. Are you learning at the school on the University campus from Steven Elaimy?
I’m too old for school LOL!
I work out with Stephen at the Capital Hill studio.
A Biu Jee Riddle
What’s more important, a clock or a compass?
there is where you will find your answer.
Hope this helps!!!
Re: A Biu Jee Riddle
Originally posted by Roy D. Anthony
What’s more important, a clock or a compass?
there is where you will find your answer.
Hope this helps!!!
hmmm… still thinking
wait a minute … this is a Biu Jee riddle. How would I know the answer if I don’t know Bui Jee LOL!
Re: A Biu Jee Riddle
Originally posted by Roy D. Anthony
What’s more important, a clock or a compass?
there is where you will find your answer.
Hope this helps!!!
Okay, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m going to have to say compass.
You’ll always have a relative reference for time (night, day), but you’ll never truly know your direction.
… but then again who cares where you’re going if you don’t have a path.
I don’t think that helped me.
biu jee riddle
What’s more important, a clock or a compass?
A compass to know where you’re going; a clock to know how much time you’ve got.
Bill Jee
I believe one of the aspects of Bill Jee is that it free’s you from the restrictions found in the 1st and 2nd form - Dont be a slave to Wing Chun be its Master -
I beleive WSL was participating in a “Test of Skill” when he kneed his opponents in the head - someone mentioned that that wasn,t pure Wing Chun as it was structurally incorrect. WSL responded that it was the closest weapon to the target and it worked therefore it was very pure Wing Chun.
I am sure David Peterson can elaborate (I read it in his WSL book)
Nat from UK
Cashier Exchange
From what I understand is the third form contains all the emergency nasty techniques and a lot go against the principles of wing chun but they’re there for those exceptional circumstances.
what do you mean by goes agianst the principles, would you give me an example of a correct wingchun tech, from your style, then what would be a similar technique, but goes agianst the principal of wingchun?.
Thanks
Hi all,
I read a book recently by John Little with interviews from different Martial Arts masters and he spoke on Biu Jee. In it, Hawkins Cheung stated that if your SLT and CK are good, then you will not (or rarely) need to use Biu Jee - and I would have to agree. Look at BJ in its essence - it is a recovery form when you make mistakes. So what does that tell you.
Lets not forget either that by the time you reach Biu Jee, you will have learnt most of its core techniques anyway !! SLT contains double biu and fak sau, while CK also contains biu and man sau. Like most WC students, I always felt BJ was the pinnacle of your WC training, but once I reached this stage it was somewhat of an anti-climax.
If you have been taught properly, you will also find that through chi sau / gor sau, you will already be using BJ techniques as a matter of course. Guaranteed that Biu Sau will be one of your core techniques.
From my point of view, I place more emphasis on SLT and CK, however i do still apprecoate the value of BJ. Remember Yip Mans words - ‘BJ does not go out the door’ which means that you should not have to use it. (although im sure few of us are at a level where we dont use it !!)
Regards, Stuart
Originally posted by Cashier Graham
From what I understand is the third form contains all the emergency nasty techniques and a lot go against the principles of wing chun but they’re there for those exceptional circumstances.
During emergency situations, biu jee lets you do whatever is necessary. Ducking, hopping, ground-fighting, etc. may seem like violating wing chun principles. But if these techniques helps you regain the centerline, then it is in line with wing chun principles.
For example “ducking”. They say that wing chun practioners don’t duck because it weakens/destroys your structure. But what if your hands are tied and there is no other defence against an incoming attack. Wouldn’t you duck to avoid the incoming punch?
wrong
bue gee not important… no offense but hawkins is wrong…
Hi Edward - I wasnt saying that its not imporant, i was saying that BJ is not the be all and end all of your WC training. Read the article if you get the chance - HC recognises BJ, but doesnt bow down to it. You will find that many senior WC sifus agree with him.
Best Wishes, Stuart
Originally posted by stuartm
Remember Yip Mans words - ‘BJ does not go out the door’ which means that you should not have to use it.
Are you comfortable with that interpretation?