If you have a spare minute, SIGN THIS PETITION

[sanjuro_ronin]

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;941537]imo, there is nothing commendable about what s/he is trying to do.

s/he is pulling an unsourced and unfounded article from an animal activist site that gives no places, names or dates and makes what is tantamount to a spurious claim about this activity.

could it be happening? I don’t know. Maybe it did for that film, but how old is it? how do we know the situation hasn’t been rectified.

this person is just stirring shit as if it was truth. Then adding in hateful and racist phrases which is what appears to be his/her actual agenda, IE: let’s hate on the chinese because of : ‘pick a reason’.

if s/he can’t take the care to find out what is real, then this kind of post is just dangerous hate mongering, is not admirable and instead is irresponsible and juvenile in intention and in content.

I don’t care for animal abuse. I live with a dog and 3 cats and I really like them. They are to me, my little friends. And even to me this post is garbage.

signing petitions and putting bumper stickers on your car is not activism. :mad:[/QUOTE]

You make a valid point.
I saw some live snake skining while in Macao, but that was it.
I know that dog is a source of food and I am fine with that, not my place to judge another’s culture.
You are correct about the site not really giving up much info and, like I mentioned, almost every country has regulations already in place over things like this.

[monkeyfoot]

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;941537]imo, there is nothing commendable about what s/he is trying to do.

s/he is pulling an unsourced and unfounded article from an animal activist site that gives no places, names or dates and makes what is tantamount to a spurious claim about this activity.

could it be happening? I don’t know. Maybe it did for that film, but how old is it? how do we know the situation hasn’t been rectified.

this person is just stirring shit as if it was truth. Then adding in hateful and racist phrases which is what appears to be his/her actual agenda, IE: let’s hate on the chinese because of : ‘pick a reason’.

if s/he can’t take the care to find out what is real, then this kind of post is just dangerous hate mongering, is not admirable and instead is irresponsible and juvenile in intention and in content.

I don’t care for animal abuse. I live with a dog and 3 cats and I really like them. They are to me, my little friends. And even to me this post is garbage.

signing petitions and putting bumper stickers on your car is not activism. :mad:[/QUOTE]

Beyond saying that I am not racist/hate mongering there is not much else I can do. If you choose not believe me then the problem is actually with you, not me.

I do agree that there are no sources/dates/places on that site, but my opinion is not based exclusively on that video. From my own experience, I found that animals were not given the same respect as they are in the west. I regularly saw people (particularly in the poorer/rural areas of Henen) handle and treat animals like worthless pieces of crap. So all I have done is form an opinion based on my own personal observations.

I feel sorry for you David, I am not a horrible racist guy, but you choose to stick to your opinion regardless of what I say. Are you not the one full of hate…the very thing you are criticizng me for?

[David_Jamieson]

[QUOTE=monkeyfoot;941732]Beyond saying that I am not racist/hate mongering there is not much else I can do. If you choose not believe me then the problem is actually with you, not me.

I do agree that there are no sources/dates/places on that site, but my opinion is not based exclusively on that video. From my own experience, I found that animals were not given the same respect as they are in the west. I regularly saw people (particularly in the poorer/rural areas of Henen) handle and treat animals like worthless pieces of crap. So all I have done is form an opinion based on my own personal observations.

I feel sorry for you David, I am not a horrible racist guy, but you choose to stick to your opinion regardless of what I say. Are you not the one full of hate…the very thing you are criticizng me for?[/QUOTE]

you feel sorry for me? why? you have made the erroneous assumptions, you can’t recognize when your head is in your own ass.

I’d feel sorry for you, but I don’t have time. I do have time to point out the egregiousness of your post though.

You’ve formed an opinion based on propaganda. You are being culturally elitist and your blanket statement regarding the chinese peoples is demonstrative of your racist attitudes.

It can’t be helped that you are incapable of seeing the truth of that. that’s cool, there are more than you who are deeply ignorant of the world.

regards

[B-Rad]

Here in the U.S. foxes are killed by anal electrocution after being fed dead cast off chickens that were suffocated after being shipped in packed in crates. I’ll try to ignore the horrible racist tone of the original post mostly because it’s irrelevant to the actual issue of animal cruelty. Also, I’m going to send an email asking how their funds are spent and whether they also target animal cruelty here at home (like the inhumane treatment of foxes, cows, chickens, etc.).

As for signing the online petition, those things are often a complete waste of time, especially when it concerns foreign governments. It’s often just a feel good form of activism that lets someone feel as if they’re making a difference without actually making any real contribution of value to the cause.

[Hitman]

Hi monkeyfoot,
Your approach about signing a competition will not work, because as long as there is money to be make, people will always do evil things. If you really wanted to stop those people skinning dogs and selling dog meat. Then the solution is very simple - all you have to do is to find those people jobs that will pay them more money than what they are earning now. You also use peaceful ways to convince those meat eaters into becoming vegetarians for rest of their lives. This way you will make a lot of friends. You will also make a lot of people rich and happy.

                  Here are  some things for you to think about. 

1. Seal hunting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_hunting

http://www.stopthesealhunt.co.uk/site/c.ltJWJaMOIqE/b.2610359/k.BF29/Home.htm

2. elephant hunting

http://www.livescience.com/animals/070402_elephant_deaths.html

3. selling snake meat

http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/303567/man_suspected_of_trying_to_sell_snake_meat/

4. Cat meat for sale Georgia, Atlantis and this:

http://mitchieville.com/9664/the-canadian-cat-meat-marketing-board/

[BoulderDawg]

[QUOTE=Hitman;941793]If you really wanted to stop those people skinning dogs and selling dog meat. [/QUOTE]

I give up. Both Monkeyfoot and I have tried to explain what is being talked about here. In fact there are at least 3-4 posts that make it perfectly clear we are not talking about slaughter for food.

I guess at some point you just have to throw up you hands and know some people just won’t get it.

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However there is grains of truth in his statement. If you could get a job in China that would pay you enough to feed yourself and your family and keep a roof over your head then things like animal cruelity for profit would be easier to prevent.

[Lucas]

from my perspective, it seems some people are just barely missing each other.

people talking about the slaughter of certain animals for food are not talking about the killing per se, but the treatment up until the moment of slaughter.

which if anyone even partially opens one eye, can see how in humane we are to our live stock in most places in the USA.

If you dont know the conditions in which we force many animals to live in and the treatment they recieve in america, time to go do some homework.

its not east vs west.

this ’ treatment of animals in the west is far better’ crap is total bs and we all know it.

doesnt matter WHAT the animal is being kept for. Food, Pet, Protection, Services, Breeding, etc.

inhumane treatment is inhumane treatment.

is skinning animals alive for fur horrible? of course. is it any more horrible than the conditions millions of animals in the USA are subjected to on a daily basis? I sure dont think so. If you respect life, its all life, not just some cute little kitty cats.

[Drake]

Good luck reversing hundreds, if not thousands of years of tradition.

[David_Jamieson]

I give up. Both Monkeyfoot and I have tried to explain what is being talked about here. In fact there are at least 3-4 posts that make it perfectly clear we are not talking about slaughter for food.

I guess at some point you just have to throw up you hands and know some people just won’t get it.

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However there is grains of truth in his statement. If you could get a job in China that would pay you enough to feed yourself and your family and keep a roof over your head then things like animal cruelity for profit would be easier to prevent.[/QUOTE]

Yes, we understand and can see that you can’t get your head around it that it is a larger issue and that you and your pal are hypocrites and level empty and baseless accusations at an entire nation and people.

It just makes it worse that you try to drag it back to some useless point of minutia about fur vs food.

So, let’s keep it simple.

Where does this occur?
When did it occur?
Why did it occur?
Who is making it occur?
How is it occurring now?

Thanks.
That is all.

[Yao_Sing]

So is it ok to skin dogs alive for food but not for fur? I’m confused.

[Lucas]

lets just skin everything alive !!!

[Mr_Punch]

1. Skinning things alive is bad, mmmkay?

2. Does it go on? Probably.

3. Does it matter what culture you’re from? No, see (1).

4. Does it mean you can’t protest about it because your culture does some horrible things to animals? No, of course not.

5. Even being electrocuted up the arse has gotta be better than being skinned alive. Not that I’d volunteer for either, mind.

6. If you don’t eat the animal, and you don’t live in an area where it regularly gets to -20, and there are no man-made warm clothing stores around, the fur trade in general is pretty abhorent.

7. Monkeyfoot’s phrasing in the first couple of posts was racist, like it or not.

8. Other stuff.

[monkeyfoot]

Ok a few points I would like to make before I leave this thread forever.

[LIST=1]

My first post came across racist, I apologize for this and to any one I offended

I am not racist

This thread was about skinning animals alive and that alone

Animals are less respected beings in the east than west (imo)

David Jamesome had a point at first, but your insulting remarks do nothing more than provide ****ing evidence of your own character [/LIST]

good day

[SPJ]

Dogs are man’s best friends.

1. Chinese legends said that there is a heavenly dog some said it is lab and some said it is dalmatian.

He saved his owner’s life and did many good deeds, so he was promoted to be a god and stay and guard the south heavenly gate or nan tian men.

2. there was a temple for a dog that swam and rescued his owner and was too tired and drowned himself, It was somewhere in north west coast of Taiwan. I only visited once. There is also a statue and tablet. faithful/loyal dog saved owner.

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not all people in China or asia eat dogs or use dog furs.

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3. tibetant mastiff would guard live stock and people of a village against wolf and other predators. tibetant mastiff was revered and loved by Chinese. the highest bidding price or award to own a breed is always going toward tibetant mastiff

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on and on

[BoulderDawg]

[QUOTE=monkeyfoot;941918]Ok a few points I would like to make before I leave this thread forever.

[LIST=1]

My first post came across racist, I apologize for this and to any one I offended

I am not racist

This thread was about skinning animals alive and that alone

Animals are less respected beings in the east than west (imo)

David Jamesome had a point at first, but your insulting remarks do nothing more than provide ****ing evidence of your own character [/LIST]

good day[/QUOTE]

I understood perfectly what you meant and I didn’t see any disrespect towards the Chinese people as a whole. Let’s say I visit an American city where, during my three day trip, I’m beaten up and robbed and my car is stolen. I’m going to come back and say "F that place man. I hate it and I’m not going back. That does not necessarily mean that I have a problem with the nationality of the people there.

Also, notice that the guy here who was most offended (The one who told you to “F your mother”) claims to be Chinese but has a very insulting picture of a black man he uses for his avatar. One just wonders how it would be received by someone used an avatar of picture of a sterotypical insulting image of a Chinese man.

[Lucas]

i dont think monkeyfoot is racist against chinese people. i do think people are always quick to try and pull that card on people in a controversial topic of conversation.

hes a cma guy, looking at his profile he enjoys thai cooking and chinese martial arts. i dont think he has it out for any asian people.

how many cma nuts hate chinese people? lol

im sure they are out there but i dont think monkeyfoot is one of them.

we all vent sometimes and say things that can be interpreted in a bad light

[David_Jamieson]

[QUOTE=monkeyfoot;941918]Ok a few points I would like to make before I leave this thread forever.

[LIST=1]

My first post came across racist, I apologize for this and to any one I offended

I am not racist

This thread was about skinning animals alive and that alone

Animals are less respected beings in the east than west (imo)

David Jamesome had a point at first, but your insulting remarks do nothing more than provide ****ing evidence of your own character [/LIST]

good day[/QUOTE]

you have eloquently revealed your own character here, and your apology is an admission of just how wrong you were to begin with.

I’m ok with who I am whether you think my strong opinions are to your liking or not.

I’ll step up, on any day, face to face or in a forum, I use my own Name, I am who I am.

If you don’t like your inadequacy to be pointed out, then work on that instead of whining about the person who points it out to you.

Have you changed your wording yet? Have you sourced your material yet?
Or do you just want to whine about how I pointed out what rot you were throwing around as if it were truth? You are still back tracking with your “animals are treated worse in the east” and that is utter crap on a pile of crap.

WEAK.

[Lucas]

lol dj your always such a hard ass

gotta have guys like you around though.

you crack me up man

[SPJ]

I was told the best chinese writing brush would be made out of wolf hairs.

it was very expensive.

I write with chinese pen brush all the time.

never own a wolf hairs brush pen.

some people would shave the hairs of a recently born infant

and use the hairs from being a fetus first to make a pen brush.

it is used a memory of your birth and mother.

nobody actually use it to write.

so next time if some chinese folks show you the brush pen with an infant hairs.

it meant you are both in very good terms.

b/c he or she showed you the most cherished thing in his or her life or beginning of his of her life.

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deskin a wolf or cow

yak.

:eek:

[David_Jamieson]

[QUOTE=Lucas;941949]lol dj your always such a hard ass

gotta have guys like you around though.

you crack me up man[/QUOTE]

I’ve had my share of canes across the back too and will likely face it again.

That’s life man.

I wouldn’t have it any other way.