Hung Gar Fu Hok form Technique names

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Hi.

this is a big task i guess but could anyone tell me the names of all the technqiues in the tiger & crane double fist form please.

for reference the form as shown in Master Bucksam Kong 1983 book “the tiger/crane form of hung gar kung fu” so please use the photo numbers as they are shown in that book.

I mean the Chinese names and english translation.

Thank you anyone who will help bit by bit every noe and then when they have time. even if you are not of the same form but know names.

thank you

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Wow, that is quite a task and a lot to ask for. First off, there are many different versions of the form that are performed. Also, not every one has the book you mention. Lastly, what do you mean by chinese? There is Manderian and Cantonese among many others.

If you want to know the names, your probably better off buying the tiger and crane poster and checking them out.

Tom

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Hi.

Yes .. pretty Huge request & i must admit alot to ask for but i can hope :slight_smile: …

what is the name of the poster u refer to?

as for chinese… i thought cantonese is a given since it topic is Hung Gar.. sorry for my fuzziness..

thank you for your reply

also do u know any website has like a glossary ./ vocab lists that would help also.

thank you!

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http://www.kungfulibrary.com is currently translating Lam Sai Wing’ book for fuhok into english.

you can pre-order a copy there.

http://hungga.net also http://www.siulam.info/ has information regarding this set.

There are videotapes from several vendors for this set, there is the book you mentioned and there are more books still!

If you can get at it from all the angles, you should be able to learn the names of the movements in the set, although, it is just as important to just learn the set whether you know the names or not. You can always learn the names later.

The lam sai wing book has all the stuff laid out, in chinese, so if you can’t read chinese, have a friend who can to help you.

cheers

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Kung Lek:

Thanks for the info! videos would be great but i am so poor and ur USA$50 would be like $100+ here.
luckily my net is cheap so online magazines, books, forums, news, chat, etc etc are my main forms of entertainment and relaxation.. i can even read the local newspaper for free hehe

THANKS for the url webtsites i hadnt been to hungga net for ages.. lots updats :slight_smile:

i found alot of names there which i will try to connect with the movements i know. and also some poster pcitures free download! :slight_smile:

For anyone else that is interested and for 1/2 of my question although a different lineage another kind person posted this on another forums:

I’m sorry, but I don’t have the Bucksam Kong book. I do however have the list of translations from the common Lam Sai Wing Fu Hok Poster, which I’ll copy below and ave you a trip on the forum search engine.

I would also like to have the cantonese names (in Yale maybe?) for all of these movements. I know some of the most common ones, but have never viewed a complete list. Anyone care to share?

-Dana

              1) Dragon and Tiger Coming Out
              2) Two Tigers Stalking
              3) Subduing Tiger, Stalking Dragon
              4) Pretty Girl Looking Mirror
              5) Cross Wind Sways Willow
              6) Hiding Flower Inside Sleeve
              7) Strong Finger Controls China
              8) Black Dragon Playing in Water
              9) Four Fingers Holding up Heaven
              10) Swaying Dragon Returns to Cave
              11) Black Dragon Spitting Pearl
              12) Bellows Punching Technique
              13) Four Levels Large Horse Stance
              14) Simultaneously Lifting Sun and Moon
              15) Black Crow Dries Wings
              16) Planting Flowers in a Double Bow
              17) Valuable Duck Traversing Lotus
              18) Double Dragons Leaving the Sea
              19) Golden Bridge Stopping Exactly
              20) Left Swinging Soft Bridge
              21) Right Swinging Soft Bridge
              22) Scooping the Moon from under the Water
              23) Oppressive Emperor Lifting Urn
              24) Flying Bird Contracting Wings
              25) Double Swords Cutting Bridge
              26) Left Hand Pushing and Breaking
              27) Right Hand Pushing and Breaking
              28) Double Bows Subduing Tiger
              29) Cat Washing its Face
              30) White Horse Offers Its Foreleg
              31) Subduing Tiger, String Pearls
              32) Side Bow Stance, Stringing Pearl Bridge
              33) Sinking Bridge, Jabbing Palm
              34) Fingertips Holding Up Heaven
              35) Riding Horse, Single Bridge
              36) Stepping In, Palm Strike
              37) Yun-Tan "Black Faced God" Subduing Tiger
              38) Arhat "Gum Kong" Exits Cave
              39) Cross-Cutting Bamboo
              40) Spreading the Grass Looking for Snake
              41) Throw the Ball Inside Wave
              42) "Fui Sing" (God) Kicking Star
              43) Double Bow Hugging the Moon
              44) Children Bowing to Buddha
              45) Cornered Fierce Tiger Fights Back
              46) Tiger's Eye, Leopard's Punch
              47) Single Arm, Single Bridge
              48) Stepping In, Straight Punch
              49) Single Diagonal Chop
              50) Double Hand Block and Chop
              51) Double Back Fist Technique
              52) Double Back Fist Falling
              53) Fist Going Through the Sky Posture
              54) Continuously Going Through the Sky
              55) Staggered Horse Stance, Arrow Fist
              56) Returning Spirit Fist Technique
              57) Cat Stance, Chopping Down
              58) Turn Around, Slicing Bamboo
              59) Iron Door Jam Punch
              60) Butterfly Flying
              61) Hungry Tiger Catches Lamb
              62) Single Tiger Exits Cave
              63) Fierce Tiger Descending Mountain
              64) Tiger Overpowers Wolf
              65) Lead the Horse to Stable
              66) Hand Bending Cinnamon Tree
              67) Kirin Loses Balance and Falls
              68) Forearm Block, Sinking the Hip
              69) Finger Hand Asking Questions
              70) Ocean Wave Bouncing Ball
              71) Punching Through the Sleeve
              72) Crane's Beak, -
              73) Revive Satiated Crane
              74) Single Leg Flying Crane
              75) Single Leg Hungry Crane
              76) Hungry Crane Dives for Shrimp
              77) Right Crane's Comb Technique
              78) Left Crane's Comb Technique
              79) Black Dragon Swings it's Tail
              80) Arhat Sunbathing
              81) "Pook Jong" Catches Tiger
              82) Drunken Eight Immortals
              83) Arhats Leaving Cave
              84) Single Finger Leading Hand
              85) First Star Wave Punch
              86) Second Star Wave Punch
              87) Continuous Stepping Punch
              88) Continuous Locking Strike
              89) Straight Punch Under Armpit
              90) Hook and Bounce Sweep Technique
              91) Continuous Fire Arrow
              92) Iron Broom Sweep
              93) Monkey Steals Peach
              94) Black Tiger Claw Technique
              95) Golden Dragon Presents its Claws
              96) Cross Pattern Spreading Gold
              97) Golden Star Punching Corner
              98) Fierce Tiger Pushing Mountain
              99) Sun Fist Pulling Arrow
              100) Goose Landing on Level Sand
              101) Twin Flying Butterflies
              102) Twist Stance Uppercut Punch
              103) Kirin Steps
              104) Zig-Zag Butterfly Palm
              105) Continuous Butterfly Palm
              106) Crescent Moon Hand and Foot
              107) Hiding Dragon, Leaping Tiger
              108) Fierce Tiger Pawing Sand
              109) Tiger Leopard Double Jabbing Fist
              110) Piercing Bridge, Return to Cave
              111) Single Dragon Leaves Sea
              112) Tiger Roaring, Crane Calling

              Peace through Struggle

Dana

well 1/2 way there.. the lam sai wing poster pics are too small and very fuzzy to read the chinese unfortunately.. trying to see the pics so as to compare to bucksam kong masters book to correlate some of the above terms..

thanks for your help everyone!

please favour me

thanks!!
5thBro

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depending on which version of the form youve learned the lam sai wing poster might not apply..not knowing which system youve leaned the form from makes names difficult..i myself practice the form as taught in the tang fung branch of hung ga..from what ive seen in tournaments and meeting other hung people..there are definatley differant versions of the form which include differant techniques in sometimes differant orders..your best bet would be to bug your sifu(or maybe volunteer to help him)or your sigung about the names..they would probaley know best

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5th Brother,

The LSW version should be pretty close to the Buck Sam Kong version. I have his gung Gee book and he follows the numbering exactly. I don’t have the Fu Hok book so can’t comment.

Here’s the book the poster was derived from:
http://www.wle.com//products/b078.html

You should be able to find it a chinatown book store if there is one near by.

ironbridge#9,

You are correct that the Tang Fung line has a slightly different choreograhpy then Lam Sai Wing. That said, many of the movements parallel.

Which Tang Fung line are you with? New Jersey would point to Yee’s Hung Ga but not necessarily.

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speaking of ha say fu…

hasayfu - sorry, this if slightly off topic, but did you happen to catch Brother O’s appearance in the Mar/April issue of KFQG magazine (p 68)?

hasayfu - if I have mistaken your identity, then many apologies for my brash interruption.

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Sing a song of tigers and cranes

Here are the lyrics I have in my lyric file. I think it is the same as the one’s Wing Lam used in the video, but it might be different than the poster, since I wasn’t involved in that.

FU HOCK SHEUNG YING KUEN (Tiger crane double animal fist)

  1. Dragon and tiger coming out.
  2. Two tigers stalking.
  3. Subduing tiger, stalking dragon.
  4. Pretty girl looking in mirror.
  5. Cross wind sways willow.
  6. Hiding a flower inside the sleeve.
  7. Strong finger controls China
  8. Black dragon playing with water.
  9. Four fingers holding up heaven.
  10. Swaying dragon returns to cave.
  11. Black dragon spitting pearl.
  12. Bellows punching technique.
  13. Four levels large horse stance.
  14. Simultaneously lifting the sun and moon.
  15. Black crow dries its wings.
  16. Planting flowers in a double row.
  17. Valuable duck traversing through lotus.
  18. Double dragon leaving the sea.
  19. Golden bridge stopping exactly.
  20. Left swinging soft bridge.
  21. Right swinging soft bridge.
  22. Scooping the moon from under the water.
  23. Oppressive emperor lifting urn.
  24. Flying bird contracting its wings.
  25. Double swords cutting bridge.
  26. Left hand pushing and breaking.
  27. Right hand pushing and breaking.
  28. Double bows subduing tiger.
  29. Cat washing its face.
  30. White horse offering its foreleg.
  31. Subduing tiger, stringing pearls.
  32. Side bow stance stringing pearl bridge.
  33. Sinking bridge, jabbing palm.
  34. Fingertips holding up heaven.
  35. Riding a horse, single bridge.
  36. Steeping in, palm strike.
  37. “Yun Tan” (Black faced god) subduing tiger.
  38. Arhat “Gum Kong” exiting cave.
  39. Cross-cutting bamboo.
  40. Spreading the grass looking for a snake.
  41. Throwing a ball inside a wave.
  42. “Fui Sing” (God) kicking a star.
  43. Double bows hugging the moon.
  44. Children bowing to Buddha.
  45. Cornered fierce tiger fights back.
  46. Tiger’s eye, panther’s punch.
  47. Single arm, single bridge.
  48. Stepping in, straight punch.
  49. Single diagonal chop.
  50. Double hand block and chop.
  51. Double back fist technique.
  52. Double back fist falling.
  53. Fist going through the sky posture.
  54. Continuously going through the sky.
  55. Staggered horse stance, arrow fist.
  56. Returning spirit fist technique.
  57. Cat stance, chopping down.
  58. Turn around, slicing bamboo.
  59. “Iron door jam” punch.
  60. Butterfly flying.
  61. Hungry tiger catches a lamb.
  62. Single tiger exits cave.
  63. Fierce tiger descending mountain.
  64. Tiger overpowers a wolf.
  65. Leading a horse to the stable.
  66. Hand bending a cinnamon tree.
  67. Chu lin (unicorn) loses balance and falls.
  68. Forearm block, sinking the hip.
  69. Finger hand asking questions.
  70. Ocean wave bouncing a ball.
  71. Punching through the sleeve.
  72. Crane’s beak.
  73. Revive satiated crane.
  74. Single leg flying crane.
  75. Single leg hungry crane.
  76. Hungry crane diving for shrimp.
  77. Right crane’s comb punching technique.
  78. Left crane’s comb punching technique.
  79. Black dragon swinging tail.
  80. Arhat sunbathing.
  81. “Pook Jong” catching tiger.
  82. Drunken eight immortals.
  83. Arhats leaving cave.
  84. Single finger leading hand.
  85. First star wave punch.
  86. Second star wave punch.
  87. Continuous stepping punch.
  88. Continuous locking strike.
  89. Straight punch under armpit.
  90. Hook and bounce sweep technique.
  91. Continuous fire arrow.
  92. Iron broom sweep.
  93. Monkey steals peach.
  94. Black tiger claw technique.
  95. Golden dragon presenting claws.
  96. Cross pattern spreading gold.
  97. Golden star punching corner.
  98. Fierce tiger pushing mountain.
  99. Sun fist pulling arrow.
  100. Goose landing on level sand.
  101. Twin flying butterflies.
  102. Twist stance upper cut.
  103. Chu lin steps.
  104. Zig zag butterfly palm.
  105. Continuous butterfly palm.
  106. Crescent moon hand and foot.
  107. Hiding dragon, leaping tiger.
  108. Fierce tiger pawing sand.
  109. Tiger panther double jabbing fist.
  110. Piercing bridge, returning to cave.
  111. Single dragon leaves sea.
  112. Tiger roaring with crane calling.
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Thanks Everyone~

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to answer your question i do train under one of frank yees disciples…and your also right many moves are the same but i have to say that if your trying to match up names to movement..especially without pictures its differant enough that youd end up matching up the wrong names to the wrong techniques..unless your well versed in the system of course then you mighyt be able to figure it out..not saying its impossible..just that it would be difficult..and its not just the tang fung branch that practices the form differantley..ive seen at least 5 differant versions of fu hok..not all totaley differant..but differant enough that trying to match names to techniques using the lam sai wing books would be difficult..anyway..gooday to all and good luck to those trying to learn the names of the techniques…it really does add to your knowledge..it without a doubt helps to give a better understanding of the techniques..

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herb ox. I think you have the right HaSayFu. I did see si-hing in the mag.

Ironbridge#9, I agree that trying to match names to moves without pictures is near impossible. And though I know what you mean that different folks have different fu-hok, with the pictures you can get pretty close. That’s why I pointed to the book. Now I won’t go into different names of different lines which also exist.

Curious, are you saying that the version you have can not be mapped? I think all versions have additional moves not pictured or mentioned in the book, but I think all moves in the book are represented by all lines. Is that not true for you? (again, I know the Tang Fung folks do some things in Yee Gee ma but the techniques should all be there)

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:slight_smile:

Thanks for the help and information all..

yes i noticed the lam sai wing form (from poster) has a few movements before the “start” of that of bucksam kong`s betwee the salute and single arm moves…

besides my question i would like to open this thread up to a general “fu hok seung ying kuen” discussion on any area of it.

are there any sites which have pictures / clips of the form especially different lineages would be interesting to see…

thanks

5thBro

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Check out http://www.fuhok.com

There are links to videos there and I believe they have a couple of examples of the Tiger/Crane set.

Also, Hungga.net has clips, pics and so on about this set.

They also have information on a few of the various lineages of Hung.

the links I posted before at the top of the thread are pretty good to.

cheers

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great links

thanks kung lek

:slight_smile:

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gene ching

your hung gar lineage become from chui kao and lam jo .
can you explain to us if the forms in the wing lam school video program belong to chui kao or lam jo line ?
or the forms have the best of both lineages ?

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not gene but …

I am not Gene but I am his Si-dai.

Lam Sifu’s Hung Gar comes from three people, Chiu Wai, Lum Jo and Leung Wah Chew. The forms on video cover all three but the flavor is strictly Sifu’s.

Leung Wah Chew is exclusively Ha Say Fu Hung Gar and are noted in the catalog. The other sets are usually shared by Lum Jo and Chiu Wai. The exceptions I can think of, Butterfly Palm (Chiu only) and Arrowhand (Lum only).

Having visited and trained with both Chiu Wai Si-gung and Lum Jo Si-gung I can say that they each have their flavor and Sifu doesn’t copy either. He is a combination of the two plus his own influence and understanding.

Hope that helps.

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Thanks Hasayfu

I actually only dabbled in Hung Gar - my focus with Wing Lam was on Bak Sil Lum. Hasayfu would be much better qualified to answer your questions on this matter, since he is far more focused than I am with that school.

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It’s also worthy of note that in the Chui family there is the Father Chui Kao and his elder son Chui Wai and his younger son Chui Chi Ling.

While in Lam Jo’s family there is his son Lam Chun Fai and many other extended members such as Wing Lam and Buck Sam Kong et al.

The Chui family and the Lam family propogate the Lam sai Wing Hung Gar and yet have expanded and grown the system with each generation.

The differences in the pillar sets between these two families is from what I have seen through student demonstration, photos, publication s and videos very subtle.

But when you get into some of the other lineages, the differences in sequence are a bit broader.

There doesn’t seem to be any ommisions though, because some techniques will be found in other sets.

anyway, it’s all a rich tapestry :smiley:

do the fu!

cheers