Hahaha “we have our tricks”. But seriously, how would a Xingyi fighter fair against multiple attackers. Tell me about Pan Gen (sp?) I know it’s not the same as circle walking since both styles have different approaches to fighting but i know it’s not glorified Karate. How’s the stepping.
A bit about the origins of Xingyi. On Su Yu Changs site it stated that it was a mix of Shaolin arts and Bajiquan. Sounds interesting, but dont know if it’s exactly accurrate. It doesn’t say much about who created it though. What i can say is that i doubt General Yue Fei created it.
While reading the empty flower site, I recall reading something about Hsing-Yi has no blocking. At all, it made it sound. Is this true? WHat about deflection? With out blocking or deflection how does a Hsing-Yi practioer face off more than one attacker?
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I’m back! 
Let’s see if I can remember all the questions:
Fah Jing: To that combination, add different steppings and positions, and you’ll get where all those animals come from..For example, Snake has been described as “Drilling force going down”. And remember, you don’t only issue jing with the fists, you also use the feet, the head, the elbows, knees, hips, shoulders and the whole body.
About Pan Gen: Pan Gen is an Hsing I excercise. It’s like the bagua circle, but smaller.- There are different variations of Pan Gen. Practicing Pan Gen is when you began to understand the part when I said: “Hsing I not always follows a straight pattern”. You can check some of the variations at www.smilingtiger.com
The origin and development of Hsing I are not well known. The one responsible for creating it was Ji Longfeng. He said he found Yueh Fei’s book to create the whole concept of Hsing I. The oldest Hsing I I know of is Dai Xinyiquan. You can check it’s history at Jarek’s website (http://www.homepages.msn.com/spiritst/xinyi/index.html ..IfI remember correctly)
Young Apprentice: About the blocking; in Hsing I there’s no such thing as a “block-then attack” technique. The blocks and strikes are simultaneous, and the blocks are attacks, too. For example, if I’m going to use a splitting fist to block a straight punch from you, I can: a) Deflect your attack (with the up/down motion of the splitting fist), pushing you out of balance, or: b) Hit the wrist of the upcoming punch with a palm strike (splitting fist).
Ah..Hsing I Vs. Multiple attackers
Hsing-I is a very fierce and powerful style, with quick evasive moves. Hsing I can change positions suddenly, and strike at every directions. Most people think tha Hsing I is a “Only straight” style, but it’s not. That’s why they think “How am I going to face an attacker that’s behind me/not in a straight line?”. Hsing I attacks even when it retreats and the turnings are attacks, too.
Ok now my doubt are put to rest, sorta like Bagua-Lite. I just wish there was footage for both.
I’m glad to help 
Great explanation!
Thank you very much you have been very helpful Felipe Bido! The school I’m looking at is a Hsing-Yi school that is taught by Dale Shinanagwa ( I think I spelled that right) Are you familiar with him?
I think I’ve heard about his school. Dale Shinanaga is from Tang Shou Tao Hsing I, right?
Yep, thats him. Tang Shou Tao style, I’ve haven’t heard of it though. I asked other Hsing-Yi practioners and they didn’t know much about it. Does this style include all twleve forms of animals? Do you happen to know the lineage of Tang Shou Tao?
I’m aware of the ShanXi, Hebei, and Honan styles. Which did this spring off of, how does it differ from others, and how close is it to the original style?
Tang Shou Tao Hsing I is not a system of Hsing I (Like Henan, Hebei or Shanxi). Its a school from Taiwan, founded by Master Hsu Hong Chi (Xu Hongji). His lineage comes from Hebei origins. It has been regarded as a Hebei/Shandong system.
It contains the five elements, the twelve animals and miscellaneous forms. I have always heard good things about that school, and all foreign students of Master Hsu that I know of (John Price, Mike Patterson, Tim Cartmell, etc) are very, very good.
Master Hsu Hong Chi studied Hsing I in Taiwan with Hung I Hsiang. Hung I Hsiang studied with Chang Jungfeng. He was a student of Li Cun Yi (Li Tsun I). You can find info on Li Cun Yi (“Single Broadsword Li”) everywhere. He was a very famous Hsing I teacher. Chan Jungfeng fled to Taiwan during the revolution.
I don’t know much about the lineage of the Hsing I teachers from Taiwan. I’ve concentrated more in the history of Hsing I in mainland China. But I am sure the names are correct.
Anyway, Tang Shou Tao is a very respectable school.
FELIPE IL JUST ASK MY GENERAL QUESTIONS ON THIS THREAD
KEEP THE MORE SPECIFIC ON PM.
what did sunlutang see to make him combine the 3i…
13 postures,5elements/12animals and the 8changes,do they hold the same seeable/unseen fighting applications,or isit just they have similar tension/relaxation in how they hold themself.
ttt dont tell me i stumped the magneficient “FELIPE”
Hey Felipe, is that you
Are you the same Felipe Bido i saw doing forms on the Empty Flower site. I have that site memorized. Thats the coolest MA site i know of, even though it’s devoted to one style i’ve never seen anything better. Call me crazy but i like Xingyiquan better than Bagua ie cooler. Even though there are accounts of Guo Yun Shen losing to Cheng Ting Hua and an even more unbelievable story of how he fought Dong Haichuan for 3 day? I’m babbling now but hey, this is about Hsing I.
Hey Felipe, is that you
Are you the same Felipe Bido i saw doing forms on the Empty Flower site. I have that site memorized. Thats the best designed MA site i know of, even though it’s devoted to one style i’ve never seen anything better. Call me crazy but for some reason i like Xingyiquan better than Bagua ie: cooler. Even though there are accounts of Guo Yun Shen losing to Cheng Ting Hua and an even more unbelievable story of how he fought Dong Haichuan for 3 days? That’s why i brought up the questions before. True or not I’m babbling now. Thats all i wanted to know
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Hush Diego!
I got a theory about your question on Sun Lutang:
There are 3 levels of force in the “internal” martial arts:
1- Evident Force (You can see the power from the outside; the movements are fast and powerful, the stepping is hard and audible)
2- Hidden force (The movements are flowing and smooth, fast, but relaxed the stepping is soft)
3)- “Mysterious” force [I don’t remember the EXACT translation] (The movements are very slow and relaxed)
It’s been said that Hsing-I begins with the first level and then progresses to the other levels; that Bagua begins with the second level and that Tai Chi begins with the third level. Maybe Sun Lutang saw that kind of similarity betwee the three and combined them for his own wish of knowledge.
I’ll expand the info on the three forces by PM. Now I am only writing what I remember.
Leonidas:
Yeah, I’m Felipe Bido from Emptyflower (How many Felipe Bido’s can you meet in the world? my name is not very common). Yeah, the site is amazing. David has excellent designing skills. I sent him a message on sept, 2000, and we began to share info and expand the Hsing-I website he already had. It’s been a great experience for me: I’ve got in touch with very experienced and well known practicioners, and my knowledge of Hsing I has expanded greatly.
I had decided to put a pictorial of two chicken forms sometime this year, and there are more articles and galleries on the way. So, keep checking the website
I got a theory on Guo/Dong fight, too!. I think that what actually happened was that Guo Yun Shen went to Dong’s house for a three-day visit. They fought a little, went to eat, then fought a little more, sat back for a cup of tea, then fought another round, etc. Then, the accounts of the visit were stretched out of proportion.
Any of the internals are good. also recommend some form of silat. I hear goooood things about it all the time.
Why make yourself choose? Our program includes Silat and Niejia.