The teacher of this guy is the one who showed bruce lee some CLF…
you can see how some attacks of CLF are like here:
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1084189]The teacher of this guy is the one who showed bruce lee some CLF…
you can see how some attacks of CLF are like here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwEGVGEAoQ[/QUOTE]
I like the 0.25 section. that kind of stuffs is what I was taught about CLF by the older Gen Cho family member.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1084187]By evolving brother. find a friend, a good friend who does CLF and work to open them channels. growth is a great thing.[/QUOTE]
True,
or bring back the ancient WCK channels opening method.
The present rigid elbow in center line, clamping and forward pressing just cant do it naturally. it closes the channels.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1084189]The teacher of this guy is the one who showed bruce lee some CLF…
you can see how some attacks of CLF are like here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwEGVGEAoQ[/QUOTE]
CLF certainly seemst to be a rich system and I bet each lineage brings something special to the system.
So what is 20 channels medirians?
12 ordinary medirians + 8 special medirians. when the body moves it related to that. That is one of the way the ancient chinese define degree of freedom as in today’s robotics, how many degree of freedom a robot in action has.
Since Master Lacey is one of my KF brother’s Sifu, I only have the greatest respect for him. He is an exceptional CLF man and Bak Sing CLF is one of the most practical TCMA systems for fighting - the 10 seeds, the combinations, the stepping in and out, leaking, taking angles, the Northern footwork and kicks, false/real hand methods all are exceptional in this art. They are formidable, but only if they really trained and tested their art out.
To answer how one would fight a CLF guy:
WCK has to shut them down by entering in, and one may pay by getting hit numerous times for that. WCK must use the “Lai Lou Hui Soong, Lut Sao Jik Chung”, and Por Jung methods. It all depends on the skill and experience and condition of whom is fighting whom.
Another way is to break COG and throw, sweep, or take down into ground fighting, a medium many stand up fighters are weak in. From here, good ground position and control, softening up with ground and pound, and letting them gas out would be effective before the final submission, choke or continued GNP. If the other guy is a better grappler, you may be in trouble.
Of course, all this is hypothetical. Your mileage many vary. Its all really about who fights who.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1084195]CLF certainly seemst to be a rich system and I bet each lineage brings something special to the system.:)[/QUOTE]
CLF is the real system in the history of China which is carrying the Shao lin banner and fight the Qing big time with mass scale.
Another style which influencial as much or more is the White Crane of Fujian. With CLF in Canton 1850 and White Crane in Fujian/Taiwan 1650.
All the WCK his-story on the shao lin monks invented WCK to fight the Qing didnt have facture support. and WCK is not White CRane of Fujian.
Time to wake up and count how many channels of medirians one has handling or how holistic is the art.
CLF certainly seemst to be a rich system and I bet each lineage brings something special to the system.
they do my brother, they do. although i have historical issues with other CLF families, our CLF is full of great stuff passed down by great teachers.
One way a CLF fighter will shut down the WC style of chain punches is our Downward wlnd mill blows. this is what worked against bruce lee here in san francisco by my si sook gung.
TRue Robert.
If their engine is not jam solidly.
tough.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1084205]One way a CLF fighter will shut down the WC style of chain punches is our Downward wlnd mill blows. this is what worked against bruce lee here in san francisco by my si sook gung.[/QUOTE]
Agree.
I never think high about WCK’s chain punch at all. lap da, Tan Da…is better then pure chain punch. WCK got to have more than that stuffs.
it can brother. the WC as you know it can evolve as you see fit. it’s in YOUR hands now.
The guy “looks off balance” cant really say as this is just a demo but as a VT man i apperciate the round actions because thats what im suited best to deal with. Also the front bow footwork is a gem for a VT man.
I could take those punches so… Cover and stomp a knee, then go for a beer.
P.S I think Paul has posted the most sensible thing here.
[QUOTE=Liddel;1084241]The guy “looks off balance” cant really say as this is just a demo but as a VT man i apperciate the round actions because thats what im suited best to deal with. Also the front bow footwork is a gem for a VT man.
I could take those punches so… Cover and stomp a knee, then go for a beer.
P.S I think Paul has posted the most sensible thing here.[/QUOTE]
You must be a really big guy if you can just take all those shots.
If you’re a big guy (super heavyweight), 250 lbs+
Then it doesn’t matter what martial art style you do.
You will probably smash most people.
How would I fight this guy?
Using the skills I’ve trained. Thats about as much answer as you can give without seeing the guy in a real fight. Demonstrations can reveal a bit about balance, speed and power, but they don’t reveal anything substantial.
I’d assume he doesn’t have great ground work so I’d probably try to work in a takedown and force ground game if I found an opening.
But aside from that, square up, test him a bit and see if I can find where some openings and weaknesses, then go from there.
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1084067]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un8sBBdTWt8&feature=related[/QUOTE]
Like any other guy.
Well nothings certain is it.
[QUOTE=Violent Designs;1084248]You must be a really big guy if you can just take all those shots.
If you’re a big guy (super heavyweight), 250 lbs+
Then it doesn’t matter what martial art style you do.
You will probably smash most people.[/QUOTE]
The question was how i would fight him, not be beaten by him. 
Im not at all bigger than average, you put more trust in those types of shots being heavier than i do and thinking every one of them will land. But in any event taking shots whilst being covered and closing the gap to get close is the best way to deal with those shots IMO and being close is my game :rolleyes:
But i tell you this, ive taken heavier shots and been still in the game including having my nose broken and rugby has toughened my body so im not frail lol. Id expect anyone to be able to weather the storm get close enough land a knee stomp and follow up attacks thats an advanced fighter…
How would you fight Him, from outside range ?
I got nothing for you, sorry.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1084171]See, i think WC and CLF should get together and humbly discuss the styles differences on a peaceful level.[/QUOTE]
With all respect I think that this has already been done by some ancestors of WCK and CLF although it is always good to exchange imho. In the UK there is very little CLF that is public, but the small groups I have met all seem like genuine nice guys, incl Dave Hawkins
http://www.choyleefut.co.uk/index.htm
Not sure exactly ‘why’ you would want to discuss differences though, as it will always end up in a fight of some sort! I love meeting martial artists and I personally have no hang-ups about other stylists or families, no matter how shaded our histories seem to be! So if you’re ever in London look me up.
Great to see Hendrik and Robert posting again too. Been a while 
not sure why this particular individual is the subject of a thread, it seems a little harsh. Seems some people are really hung up on past differences.
I would normally not respond to a post like this but some of the responses by WC folks have intruiged me, worrying about momentum and talking about attacking arms etc. With no disrespect to the individual in question or the syle being demonstrated, i’d be far more worried about a good tight boxer or muay thai fighter with similar experience, as they’d be less likely to be kind enough to turn their back or leave their centre line totally exposed. For those worried about momentum I’d say don’t chase the arms, use footwork to close the range and attack the jic seen (in the same way as you fight an opponent with a baseball bat) and you stop the momentum dead.