[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1084067]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un8sBBdTWt8&feature=related[/QUOTE]
How would you fight this guy? Very carefully. 
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1084067]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un8sBBdTWt8&feature=related[/QUOTE]
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Frank, and violence Design what do you think?
Damage his first strike arm and ONLY after then go for the center line.
Going for the center line directly is a kiss of death because his momentum, angling, chain effect and mobility is difficult to be handle.
You cripped the strike arm, you open a hole on his momentum, and you dis arm his chain effect. you jam the combination snow balling effect, it becomes a car which can only drive right or left but not both side because one wheel has been damage. then you dont have to hurt him but control him by stick to the good hand and always has pressure on his middle door. That is the WCK two hands trade mark game. But then you need to know how to play with momentum otherwise he can still use his body to crash you and take you out.
like an eagle with only a wing it is not that scary. but if you facing an eagle with both wings that is a scary story.
tire him out. shouldnt take long since he is in so bad shape:)
Fight him the same way I would fight anyone else,. why?
LOL…some of the comments are funny. first, i’d like to point out, Grand Master Lacey was only demonstrating certain techniques. They weren’t “live” as in sparring. only being honest and never to show him disrespect stagnant techniques (meaning non mobile) are good but in some ways unrealistic. It would never go down that way. why? who would just stand there and let that happen to him?
Originally Posted by Hendrik:
Damage his first strike arm and ONLY after then go for the center line.
I don’t want to give up too much of CLF’s fighting stategy but, you got to realize that CLF loves Sam Sing training and we make use of tough forearms. if you put too much focus on trying to damage an arm that can take it you may get surprised by his quick follow up strike. you never know if you’re being set up for something more powerful.
As another style, you shouldn’t “expect” CLF to do or look anything stereotypical in combat as each person due to shape and size are different so we focus on what suits us best within the CLF arsenal.
You cripped the strike arm, you open a hole on his momentum, and you dis arm his chain effect. you jam the combination snow balling effect, it becomes a car which can only drive right or left but not both side because one wheel has been damage.
What if you didn’t cripple the first strike because he knew what you would do? as soon as you make contact with his strike arm and ready to attack would you be ready for his follow up techniques? they wouldn’t all come from one direction.
Our Blitz or snowballing effect doesn’t happen in blind manner either. we don’t just charge in swinging blindly. when bridges are made we act accordingly. and CLF is good on both left and right so if one side breaks down we still have the other. 
Sanjuro are you a wing chun guy? this is a WC - CLF issue here LOL
i will ask myself first, how am i training myself to deal with those kinds of attacks and what level of difficulty those attacks coming at me that i’m practicing against.
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1084067]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un8sBBdTWt8&feature=related[/QUOTE]
how would you fight this guy?
I’ll try to discuss this without any “style boundary (this style vs. that style)”. The best way to deal with a striker is to move in and wrap around his arms. This will temporary disable his striking ability, you then take him down. It’s better to be aggressive and put your opponent in defense when you move in. In the following short clip, within 14 seconds, This guy used the same “entering strategy” (roundhouse kick, side kick, body shot, underhook, bear hug, knee strike, outer hook) twice in a roll successfully. That indicate he had “plan” for his entry and not just pure luck.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1084125]Sanjuro are you a wing chun guy? this is a WC - CLF issue here LOL[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, don’t forget to shower when you leave this area Frank, LOL !
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1084124]LOL…some of the comments are funny. first, i’d like to point out, Grand Master Lacey was only demonstrating certain techniques. They weren’t “live” as in sparring. only being honest and never to show him disrespect stagnant techniques (meaning non mobile) are good but in some ways unrealistic. It would never go down that way. why? who would just stand there and let that happen to him?
I don’t want to give up too much of CLF’s fighting stategy but, you got to realize that CLF loves Sam Sing training and we make use of tough forearms. if you put too much focus on trying to damage an arm that can take it you may get surprised by his quick follow up strike. you never know if you’re being set up for something more powerful.
As another style, you shouldn’t “expect” CLF to do or look anything stereotypical in combat as each person due to shape and size are different so we focus on what suits us best within the CLF arsenal.
What if you didn’t cripple the first strike because he knew what you would do? as soon as you make contact with his strike arm and ready to attack would you be ready for his follow up techniques? they wouldn’t all come from one direction.
Our Blitz or snowballing effect doesn’t happen in blind manner either. we don’t just charge in swinging blindly. when bridges are made we act accordingly. and CLF is good on both left and right so if one side breaks down we still have the other. :D[/QUOTE]
Frank,
You bring up a very good point on not showing disrespect to GM Lacey. I agree.
You know this is tough stuffs. hahaha
Just to share with you a story when I was in college, some friends always want me to teach them WC. but I end up teach them basic CLF because I believe it is more useful in general.
So, a friend who I taught him only the combination basic such as the pow, cup, sou, kaw, chad, get into a fight in a chinese restorant and a few guys try to grap and wresel him… , they end up flying away and they cant touch him and he walked away. He told me later, those stuffs are great, they coming at me, but they cant get hold of me and I smash them left right up down…
For me, talk is cheap those momentum stuffs are difficult to handle.
For me,
If you cant cripple him then you know dont fight; because you have a great match here.
only if you like to test out your skill and willing to take the consequence you go for it. otherwise walk away.
Usually I rather walk away or claim lost without getting into real exchange because real exchange means everything goes and damage is unpredictable. and no matter who get hurt that is no good. IMHO.
hahaha, if a WC man has no confident to cripple the CLF man’s one side to jam his agile and momentum then walk away smile; it is better that way then walk away later both looks like Panda with black eyes. hahaha
I think it is a fatal erro if a WCner thinking one can attack the center line direct in this case. also, I think it is a fatal erro if the WCner thinking angling to avoid the strike. It is a momentum and distance game. not easy at all.
you need to take him face to face, cannot run away, and cannot get into trap.
What do you think Frank, Violent Design, Robert, KFF, Siheng?
He’s in the US and I’m in AUS. He’d have to come here because I’m not going to go there. Besides, I think one of my instructors knows him so I wouldn’t out of respect.
What’s with the recent WC/CLF hooha, anyway? Some sort of time warp going on?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1084137]I think it is a fatal erro if a WCner thinking one can attack the center line direct in this case. also, I think it is a fatal erro if the WCner thinking angling to avoid the strike. It is a momentum and distance game. not easy at all.
you need to take him face to face, cannot run away, and cannot get into trap.
What do you think Frank, Violent Design, Robert, KFF, Siheng?[/QUOTE]
one thing we must keep in mind is that that was just a demo, in reality he would be using footwork to change his angle and distance continously which would be even more scary.
First of all Hendrik, I agree with you in regards to not attacking the centerline directly, I think that’s suicide, especially like most chunners do with chain punches. If you use the classic Leung Ting WT chain punching strategy, you might hit him, but he will most definately hit you as well, it will be an exchange not in your favour since his punching would be alot more powerful than yours.
I would use angles to close in as quickly as possible using good timing and distance control. Once i make contact with his bridge, i would continously stick and control him, thus distroying his body structure, not giving him any chance to play his game or control the distance that he needs to carry out his strategy.
Fair enough, don’t forget to shower when you leave this area Frank, LOL !
LMAO i won’t brother LOL…oh thats too funny.
f you cant cripple him then you know dont fight; because you have a great match here.
only if you like to test out your skill and willing to take the consequence you go for it. otherwise walk away.
Usually I rather walk away or claim lost without getting into real exchange because real exchange means everything goes and damage is unpredictable. and no matter who get hurt that is no good. IMHO.
hahaha, if a WC man has no confident to cripple the CLF man’s one side to jam his agile and momentum then walk away smile; it is better that way then walk away later both looks like Panda with black eyes. hahaha
Hung Sing CLF people like to fight. So when it comes to mixing hands with other styles, we know that it gets hairy at times so we don’t mix hands cause if we have to we strike to injure. its very much TIGER MENTALITY.
See, i think WC and CLF should get together and humbly discuss the styles differences on a peaceful level. one potential new student of mine was a Wing Chun student and when it came to sparring he thought he’d try to test out my student in my own school. I have a rule, if another style tries to test us in our own home, do what we do best.
To make a long story short, his friends were shouting out “number 4, number 4” which was like a reach and grab the back ofthe guys neck pull him in and hit him with an elbow". he tries it my student gives a retreat stance with a chuen la block circled around and chop choy’d him in the face. everyone was shocked cause the guy was young but considered pretty good in WC.
they went a few rounds but the WC guy wasn’t conditioned enough to last how we spar for 3 minute rounds.
Still, i see many great beneifts of WC.
I think it is a fatal erro if a WCner thinking one can attack the center line direct in this case. also, I think it is a fatal erro if the WCner thinking angling to avoid the strike. It is a momentum and distance game. not easy at all.
Sometimes CLF strikes are like heat seaking missiles. because of our circular movement of both footwork and hands, we cover ALL angles and even from some unsuspecting ones.
however, if a CLF guy tries to go up the centerline of a WC guy without a plan, he’s done for. you have to expect that if you strike they will come in blazing as well. if you don’t think a step ahead you’re through.
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1084067]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un8sBBdTWt8&feature=related[/QUOTE]
Hendrik made a valid point. If one has the skill then he should damage the attacker’s arm and then go on to take his central line.
My general strategy would be to angle and move in.
Also, there are ways of damgaging an attacker’s arms regardless of how powerful his forearms are…
HW108
PS: Good to see you Hendrik. 
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I would use angles to close in as quickly as possible using good timing and distance control. Once i make contact with his bridge, i would continously stick and control him, thus distroying his body structure, not giving him any chance to play his game or control the distance that he needs to carry out his strategy.[/QUOTE]
IMHO, in general,
stick and control and distroying his body structure is not as easy as one think.
in general WCner is has less awareness and training of momentum and body structure compare with CLF people.
They know their body and momentum well and most WCner’s structure and dynamic is bound to frontal and straight which is a small part of the totality.
I can be wrong, but that is the reality I observe. The general YJKYM training today with the forward pressure is not parr with the Ng Lun Ma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IFSLJ0KVFs&feature=related
In reality,
The CLF Ng Lun Ma open up all the 20 channels of medirians while the GENERAL 90% of YJKYM pratice of WCK open up mostly 10 channels. So, that missing 10 channels means one will not be able to use the body as well as those open up more channels. That is a human body facts.
Thus, how is a person who open up only 10 channels has good control and be able to stick “fly” with the one who open up 20 channels?
also
I never buy those put your body behind the strike is the ultimate alibi in WCK. even if you put your body behind your strike, still, how many channels do you have command? 10 or 20? if 10 you still have only partial handling.
The above is just my view and there are unlimit way of seeing things and doing things. so share what you see.
hus, how is a person who open up only 10 channels has good control and be able to stick “fly” with the one who open up 20 channels?
By evolving brother. find a friend, a good friend who does CLF and work to open them channels. growth is a great thing.