How to tell if a wooden dummy is crap (v. 1)

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How to tell if a wooden dummy is crap.

There are many ways to spot a crappy wooden dummy. A wooden dummy can be divided into 4 sections: Body, arms, leg, and stand. Each section will be examined, and key points will be identified.

Body

The body of a wooden dummy should be round. No exceptions. You might think a flat body is ok, but as soon as you strike it from any position other than head on, you will realize the error of your ways.

Round body violation.

Round body violation, round arm violation

The body must have a diameter of 8.5" to 9.5". Any more or less will change the alignment of the upper arms.

The holes for the support slats should not be centered. They should be a little bit behind center. This allows more of the dummy’s surface to be exposed.

Support slat violation

Arms

The arms must be wood. PVC arms will bend and/or break when pressure is applied.

The arms must be tapered. This helps maintain the proper angle.

Arm taper and arm heigh violations

Arm height, arm taper, and arms-having-springs-on-them(?) violation.

The arms must be round. Yes, believe it or not, some dummies with squared arms are being sold. Ever tried to bong sao a square arm? Ever tried to lop sao a square arm?
Round arms violation.

The shanks of the arms that go through the body must be square. This prevents the arms from rolling around.

The top arms must be at almost the same height. This is accomplished by offsetting the shank of the top two arms. Dummies where the top two arms are at very different heights will hurt your technique. Left and right bong sao should be at the same level.
Here is a good example of what the offset shanks are supposed to look like. The other arm’s is done the other way and as a result the arms are at almost the same height. Also notice the space around the slat so the arm can move when it is hit. This is an excellent example of how the arm should fit in the hole.

Arm height violation and leg violation.

The arms must go all the way through the dummy, and be secured in place on the other side with a tapered pin that goes vertically through a hole in the shank. Arms that are not secured can be pulled out.

The arms should have a little “give” when you hit them. Approximately ¼ to ½" in all directions is good. Arms that are tightly in place will not give when you hit them, and therefore will not absorb your force. Also, the sound that is created by the arm moving in its hole can be used to help judge technique.

The tips of the upper arms should be 8" apart when pulled together and 9" apart when pulled apart. Any other distancing will lead to improper technique and positioning.

Wood arms violation, distance between arms violation, arm height violation, arm taper violation.

The insides of the upper arms should be beveled to allow them to be pulled together without rubbing each other. Because of this, and the offset shanks, there is a specific left and right arm. They cannot be reversed.

Leg

There should be a leg

Stand (non-wall stands)
The stand should be strong enough to withstand hits. The dummy stand should not scoot across the floor with each hit.

No part of the stand should get in the way of the practitioner during any movement.

Absolutely every violation imaginable!

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Can anyone think of anything I forgot?

IronFist

Re: How to tell if a wooden dummy is crap (v. 1)

Originally posted by IronFist
[B](too bad eBay doesn’t distribute these to its buyers)

Can anyone think of anything I forgot?

IronFist [/B]

Although most arms on today’s dummies are round, I understand that in the good old days when the arms were made by hand, they were oval in cross section to simulate the shape of a human arm.

A tip for making your own arms. Start with a maple bat blank. Many wood supplies stores carry them. They’re pretty strong and don’t require as much work as many wood products.

Even if the dummy is made of PVC, the arms should be wood, IMO.

Regards,

Agreed. PVC bodies are fine provided a) they are the correct diameter and b) they have wooden arms.

IronFist

LOL!

It’s the dummy police! Violators will get an azz kicking.

Bump.

IronFist

This one makes me nostalgic about my favorite childhood character…Gumby! :frowning: :wink:

…With his friend “pokey”

Not a bad set of caveats iron fist!

old jong, the gumby dummy!

:smiley:

yuanfen, thanks for the compliment :slight_smile:

Ironfist

Originally posted by IronFist
[B]Agreed. PVC bodies are fine provided a) they are the correct diameter and b) they have wooden arms.

IronFist [/B]

Why?:slight_smile: . I’ve seen YipMan Students perform the set, That’s it…Tell Me more!.

Bump!

IronFist

I am one of those that bought a cheap dummy. Although I can use it to some degree, it is a complete waste of money. I would HIGHLY suggest not being impatient and rushing out to buy a dummy, as I was. Save your money and buy a good one! Take your teacher with you! It will be a smart move. A good dummy will last a LONG time. The dummy’s design IS critical for keeping your hands sharp. Think of it like a whet stone that keeps your hands sharp. It is an expensive tool that is WELL worth the money for a good one. I personaly frown on PVC dummies, but to each his own.

Issues with my dummy. The body is painted, so I couldn’t really see the wood that made up the dummy. The body is multiple pieces. Some nice laminated ones are availible, but not mine. Mine is two or three logs some how joined. I am afraid to find out how. They are not boards laminated, they are logs stacked. The arms do not fit into the holes very well. Each arm only fits into one whole, one way. And depending on humidity, even that is not garunteed. The limbs are not at good angles and the legs pretty much sucks. Latter on, I could see patches in the painted dummy as the body expanded. Also, the slat holes were not aligned. The top and bottom slats were cut at different angles so it doesn’t rest flat when hung. I had to chisle out the cavities to make extra room.

So, save your money and buy quality. Take an experienced person with you. Buy good quaility wood. I personally beleive cracks are ok if they are minor, this will happen if the dummy is not made locally.

Just my experience
Tom


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IronFist

This Arizonian model is the crappiest of them all!..The leg angle is upside down!..Yeach!

Of course, let’s not forget the most important requirement for a wooden dummy: it should be made out of wood. Sorry, but PVC dummies don’t cut it.

old jong – that one’s just a real prìck, if you ask me.

Our Saguaros are national treasures Old Jong,
the angle of the dangle notwithstanding..

i’m sorry but i agree with zerozero. a wooden body is by far superior to a PVC body. it adds a lot of weight and has a distinctly different and better feel when being hit.

You guys who insist they must be all wood, have you ever used one with a PVC body and wooden arms? I agree that PVC arms don’t cut it, but the body is fine.

Of course, let’s not forget the most important requirement for a wooden dummy: it should be made out of wood. Sorry, but PVC dummies don’t cut it.

Let’s also not forget an important part of Chinese history: when the wooden dummy was invented they didn’t have plastic so it wasn’t even an option. :smiley:

IronFist

PVC is far too light, not to mention hollow. It is an inferior type of body for a wooden dummy.

Why not just fess up and admit that you’re only interested in promoting and selling your plastic dummy plans.

If plastic was available back when the dummy was invented, they would have rejected it.

People who opt for a plastic dummy usually cite cost and/or ease of construction as counter arguments. If this is the case, I submit that you’re only fooling yourself.

Ironfist, just come out and admit that you’re only interested in selling your plastic dummy plans.

Ok. Let me repeat my question again since you didn’t answer it the first time.

“You guys who insist they must be all wood, have you ever used one with a PVC body and wooden arms?”

IronFist