how much can one learn from practice a set?
What is practicing a set mean?
What do you learn? what skill? and what to master?
Care to share?
its painfully simple with the right information…
Any value at all practicing set?
sometimes things are so obvious.
what can you learn doing a form? depends on how many times you do it 
[QUOTE=Hendrik;983228]how much can one learn from practice a set?
What is practicing a set mean?
What do you learn? what skill? and what to master?
Care to share?[/QUOTE]
Forms or linked sets are simply a remnant of a really poor teaching method. Practicing a set means you are wasting time.
i would say thats a well thought out personal opinion that likely works perfectly in your life.
however for me personally, the times that i practice one of the few sets i still practice, its definately not a waste of my time. i love it, its fun, gets my heart rate up in a few seconds, i could go on and on, seriously i could. so for me, no not a waste of time at all.
its as fullfilling as listening to a young childs innocent laugh. neither do i find a waste of my time. just all depends on what you are looking for in life.
oh i suppose i should mention i dont practice wing chun sets.
[QUOTE=Lucas;983873]however for me personally, the times that i practice one of the few sets i still practice, its definately not a waste of my time. i love it, its fun, gets my heart rate up in a few seconds, i could go on and on, seriously i could. so for me, no not a waste of time at all.
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That’s cool. Some people like folk dancing.
Some people like folk dancing.
Many people like horizontal folk dancing.
Probably not bada$$ enough for you though, T.
And some people watch tv, drink beer, have too much sex and take prescription chemical drugs. i dont do any of that, id rather do a form or two instead. better for my over all health hands down.
And some people watch tv, drink beer, have too much sex and take prescription chemical drugs. i dont, id rather do a form or two instead. better for my over all health hands down.
I’ll forgo the prescription drugs (what about the unprescribed ones?), but I’ll take the TV, beer and too much sex (none of the nerds on here would be getting much, though, let alone too much).
I can do all those, and forms too!
[QUOTE=anerlich;983927]I’ll forgo the prescription drugs (what about the unprescribed ones?), but I’ll take the TV, beer and too much sex (none of the nerds on here would be getting much, though, let alone too much).
I can do all those, and forms too![/QUOTE]
rofl, thats just it, you CAN do it all. who spends 100% of their awake training? i certainly dont. besides the couple of shaolin sets i maintain take roughly 30 seconds to do. unless your a b!tch ass…
actually i just realized, if i cut my showers short by 2 minutes and finish my morning craps 2 minutes early i could do 4 routines without losing any productivity!
rofl, thats just it, you CAN do it all. who spends 100% of their awake training?
Exactly. There is life after KFO.
[QUOTE=anerlich;983936]Exactly. There is life after KFO.[/QUOTE]
hahahahahahha wait, there is???.. /cry
i actually only post online because im chained to a computer for work.
i actually only post online because im chained to a computer for work.
You and me both, though one of my NY resolutions was to be as slack as possible at work and not get fired.
And it does nothing for our fighting skills.
[QUOTE=anerlich;983948]You and me both, though one of my NY resolutions was to be as slack as possible at work and not get fired.
And it does nothing for our fighting skills.[/QUOTE]
what ever sucker, my typing increases my massive iron finger skills!
;)
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;983822]Forms or linked sets are simply a remnant of a really poor teaching method. Practicing a set means you are wasting time.[/QUOTE]
IF you dont understand what its for…agreed if you dont know then you are wasting many years.
VT requires that you know the centerline and the relationship of your elbows /forearms/wrists to it.
Facing a target in motion requires facing it as it moves using chum kil stances, moving.
SLT & CK the fighting bubble
Striking , its pretty simple. Coupled with methods to recover striking again, while constantly attacking.
A set is a solo workout thats all…time alone, operative word being ‘alone’…the reasons are simple.
The ONLY time we ever place our elbows /forearms/wrists in such acute angles is while doing the Sil Lim Tao.
A major reason the SLT fails is the lack of JUM sao in the first section of tan~huen~?jum?~wu~ fok…
Tan & Jum are essential partners, like oil & water , positive & negative, Yin & Yang, in & out…
no jum and we have , oil, positive,yin,out…no balance of arm energy. No cohesive connection to make the system function outside chi-sao games.
The very start of the SLT set requires that we move wrists in front of the chest xing the centerline extend along it to full extension aiming high as a ‘strikes’ ‘double man sao’ , intersecting the centerline/strike line and then moving the hands back along it , wrists still intersecting the line moving to ‘double wu - sao’, not high low gaun sao’s.
By doing double high man and double rear vu , we create an impenetrable line with either arm whether it leads or follows along the line.
Add the duality of strikes that both protect the line from being opened and strike forwards without skipping a beat ..and you have simultaneous attacking and defensive actions as you STRIKE in simple attacking strategies.
The strategy is simple , dont stand still, and dont stand in front of two potential lines of incoming force with a lead leg , iow, avoid being in the middle of a guys swings from r or l arm & legs…maintain a fighting distance to be able to reach the guy in a step, move or allow the movement of the opponent to gain positions along 1/2 of the centerline, iow the centerline divides your opponent down the middle…attack either 1/2 as he/she presents it , angle , shift, move , grab and turn them , whatever to gain the " 1/2 person " before you…if you lose the positions dont chase doing lead leg centerline attacks, regaing your side stance and face off again for the same ideas…% wise you gain.
btw
The tut sao aka shaving hands in the latter sections is done high not aimed low, by doing this simple action we recover the extended hand ‘man sao’ back to rear ‘wu sao’ so that the line is intersected by the rear hand ‘wu’ . Allowing unstoppable attacking actions from the rear hand and recovering the x’ed bridge without using the infamous LOP sao aka known as “how I learned to fight one arm with my 2 hands ALWAYS !” thats not a skill.
The intercepting line
so the 2 sets SLT & CK are your SOLO sets to improve certain required attributes , specific to the VT system of fighting.
Bil Gee set is to develop methods to regain the flow or lines that have been interupted, your striking wrist has been grabbed or both, a common when I have had fights, guys will grab whatever is in front of them before they try to hit you…bg shows wrist regaining actions, regaining lifted arms, and other advanced actions for Knives.
If you learn to flow like water bilgee is simply a way to recover the direction of the streams flow without taking too long ; ) iow you attack in a flow or cant flow at all , so you need to make the water flow again…
[QUOTE=k gledhill;984779]IF you dont understand what its for…agreed if you dont know then you are wasting many years.
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It doesn’t matter what you “understand” – using forms to learn or develop dynamic (open) skills simply doesn’t work. It is a throwback to a time where people didn’t have a good idea of how to effectively teach these skills.
Why don’t people in sports use forms? Why don’t we have baseball forms or basketball forms or boxing forms or wrestling forms if forms are so useful? Because they aren’t necessary and they wouldn’t be helpful.
Why don’t we have baseball forms or basketball forms or boxing forms or wrestling forms if forms are so useful? Because they aren’t necessary and they wouldn’t be helpful.
Actually you are only correct if the only definition of a form is a long series of multiple moves. If you look at san sik as forms, as many do then you are very wrong.
. Baseball - just working your swing,working on your stride=san sik. Everything in wrestling can be practiced solo and good wrestlers do it. Shoot to single= san sik for example.
The key is how you train not what you train. Take a punch and add movement no different than a boxer working his jab and footwork solo as a general example.
[QUOTE=hunt1;984845]Why don’t we have baseball forms or basketball forms or boxing forms or wrestling forms if forms are so useful? Because they aren’t necessary and they wouldn’t be helpful.
Actually you are only correct if the only definition of a form is a long series of multiple moves. If you look at san sik as forms, as many do then you are very wrong.
. Baseball - just working your swing,working on your stride=san sik. Everything in wrestling can be practiced solo and good wrestlers do it. Shoot to single= san sik for example.
The key is how you train not what you train. Take a punch and add movement no different than a boxer working his jab and footwork solo as a general example.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you about san sik if, and this is the critical “if”, your san sik accurately reflects what you are really doing in the activity itself and you are aware of the context of the skill (what you are trying to do). As such, your examples drawn from sport fit that criteria. And if we recognize that, then I have no problem. Then you have that 1 to 1 to 1 correspondence. In most cases in WCK, however, you’ve people practicing movements in the air without being aware of the context. And in that case, they are simply folk dancing.