This was actually brought in an other discussion but i wonder what you all think about it.
How many different punches do you know?(WC punches that is). I used to do WT and then we had the straight punch, a rounded punch, and one that loked like an uperrcut. The last two were in advanced levels. I am in William Cheungs lineage now and i have seen the two first,but the round one is executed different.
I only practice straight punches although i’ve seen my older kung fu brothers using uppercuts in the third form. Actually now i think about it theres another type in the second form after the stepping bong saus.
make a fist
bong sao becomes punch, tan sao becomes punch, biu ji becomes punch…
Meng Shuo
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I only practice the straight punch, but I have been in a fight once and I threw an upper cut.
Who knows why…it must be very siular to WC punching…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…
straight punch, backfist-to-straight punch, little uppercut
Empty cup…
Which form is the back fist in?
None…a backfist shouldnt be used in wing chun…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…
8 punches
straight, upper cut, low punch, inside whip, outside whip, inside diagonal, outside diagonal, hammer fist.
you can find all these punches within the 3 forms
Edward…explain…this is interesting…
IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…
if you need for me to go into further detail
all 8 punches are not things that are created out of the blue… anything that you do in wing chun should always be traced back into the forms… if you can’t find it in the form, then your making the stuff up..
the 8 punches that i refer to are all in the forms, from 1 to 3…
take 1st form for example, you can find the regular punch, upper cut, and low punch, inside whip… all in the first form.
if you need more detail just ask
I need more details about all these punches in the first form. I thought there was only one punch in this form
Ish
If you know all the moves of Siu Lim Tao, what’s the problem?
If someone of great importance were to tell you, “There is only one punch in Wing Chun,” would you commit to that one punch
that opens and closes Siu Lim Tao, even if you suspected that a tan sao could be a punch (should you close your hand), and so on?
Heaven forbid anyone other than a complete expert ever come into combat with such mental constraints, as he or she is sure to be pummelled.
No Uppercuts
Hello Martial Joe,
You said a backfist should not be used in Wing Chun. I would ask why not? Does it violate any of the principles of Wing Chun? There are several techniques I could think of which use a similiar energy adn mvoement as a backfist. A backfist is not as powerful as a straight punch but can be done faster.
Try this;
Take up a Wu Sau Bong Sau and perform Lop Sau like normal. However, this time rather than dropping your elbow and converting your Bong to a Straight Punch, rotate the arm and strike with a backfist or even convert it into a Fak Sau. Would this be an acceptable method of using a “backfist” type of movement in Wing Chun?
Just curious, I never use the word never
, LOL.
Peace,
Dave
In the short amount of time i did wing chun my instructor was very big on backfists, only he called them the “sidepunch” wierd eh? any idea what lineage he was? Anybody had any experience with an instruxtor who uses these sidepunches? I was afraid to ask… (heehee)
The WT adage I’ve learned is “One punch, many angles.”
In other words, whether it’s a “round punch” or “uppercut”, regardless of what angle the punch is coming from, it all adheres to the same principles. hence it’s really one punch, but coming from different angles, so it looks different.
SH73,
I agree. In a playful exchange with a friend, I did a “JKD” lop-sau backfist and it works (mostly cause it’s fast and seems natural from that position).
MARTIAL JOE
i did not say backfist…i said backfist-to-straight punch. Maybe that was a little too confusing…what i mean is that is begins it’s arc like a backfist but changes to a straight punch.
TEEBAS
it’s in chum kiu, first section, after the lan saus, the punch begins at the elbow and moves out, therby protecting from a punch to your right…that way, any incoming punch will catch your bridge…
SIHING73
you are correct. Even though backfist is not taught to you tradtionally, why can’t it be used? When people press my hand down too much in chi sau, i flip it up into a quick snappy backfist…it’s faster than straight punching…
Kwai Choi
While not a horizontal back fist as some may imagine, the Kwai Choi (which strikes with the back of the knuckles) is present in most WCK branches (though some will say its not, if you watch them Chi Sao, the movement to which I’m referring will often be executed). It’s in the sets, more so in Sum Nung WCK and other branches, but also most versions of Yip Man WCK I’ve seen (though most do not seem to consider it such)
Dave (SH73) gives a good description of one of the core movements. If it helps, convert Bong to Tan but instead of leaving the hand open, close it and strike at the same time. Just economical.
Some in Yip Man system do consider the move in Chum Kiu to be a chow choi-like uppercut, and the move in Biu Jee to be a hook punch (some do ginger fist instead there).
Rgds,
RR
8 punches
i haven’t learned the names of all 8 yet, but it looks like someone else has. about the back fist. i personally think it has less power than the straight punches. i perfer to use inside whip punch were some people use the back fist. but your right sihing, the knife hand chop has the same energy as the backfist.
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