and is yao allowed to teach the forms he learned from wah lum? because I know he got kicked out of wah lum because he wanted to do modern wushu. please answer me
is there a way I could get a copy of wah lum’s student handbook?
forms
LKS taught 11 forms- wah lum forms 1-6 that are taught now are not part of them, these were added by chan wan ching in hong kong.
Can yao li teach the wah lum sets? Sure he can, he just can’t advertise them as he is a wahlum teacher.
I have seen some of his forms, a bit different than what is taught now and also a form that nobody in present wah lum knows. It was called Saint hands i think.
PM me, i think i have a few copies of the hand book or may be able to get you one
What were the original 11 forms that Lee Kwan Shan taught?
how many forms do you think there are in wah lum?
Answer: A hell of a lot more than are being taught now. I was told by a very reliable source MC has over 400 forms in his arsenal. A small percent of that now being taught.
Ren Blade
Don’t know the 11 origianal forms- good luck finding out!’
Woliveri-wow the count just keeps going up, we asked mc when the count was 300 and he laughed and said no he didn’t know 300 forms. get a new source
I would guess there are at least 110 to 120. I know a person who has somewhere around 50 or so forms who asked TT once and he said that’s not even half…
Then again he was talking to a few people and I think he might have been referring to all of them. I’d all together they have something like 64 different forms (most of them all of them know, some each person “specialized in”)
But what do I know? Not a lot…
I always felt like I was learning only “part” of a form. Alot of times, a WL form ends really weird. Like it should keep going…ending with a techn. that normally does not end a form. Oh well, WL forms always kicked my a*s! Just wish there would have been more to them. (Not gonna beat a dead horse)
Why the need for so many hand forms? Weapons are another story…right?
18Elders, well that number was from the 80s so it looks like it’s going down, not up. So take away the number 400 and leave the statement "a shtload". Source saw them on video (8mm). k? Anyway, like you said, good luck finding out. Maybe he just know’s 2 and that 2 sprouted into 10,000 ha ha. You know he passing more than what’s currently seen now to Mimi. I don’t really give a flying frt. Jeepin and Qi Gong are my lively hood hobbies now. Maybe later some Baji would be nice.
take it light!!!
c’ya
jeepin & Qi Gong
This is total yin and yang! Where do you jeep? Did some in Arizona (Sedona & Koles Ranch) As for given a flyn. I`m on to bigger and better myself.
Isn`t k? doing Eagle now? Had some really good times with him…a real talker!
Weekend`s coming up! Go for it.
forms
the question should be how many has he mastered and understood all the techniques and applications??
To me it is useless just to know the moves and not understand the form.
He (MC) told my kung fu brother that he didn’t know alot of forms when he came to the US.
is there a big mantis to go along with little mantis?
Yantai, Wah Lum, Da Beng Bu Thread
Shaolinlueb
Check out the above thread, I believe it will shed some light on your question.
I think WL is truly missing the real treasures hidden in a form!
I have heard that Big Mantis is one of the original Wah Lum forms that Lee Kwan Shan taught Chan Poi.
From what I understand, MC only studied a few years with LKS. And, he was a very young child (six-ish). More than likely, a Si-Hing or Chan Wanching taught him his stuff.
Your really going to get 18-Elders going now! 
If you are talking about Chan Pui’s WL then yeah I’d say over a hundred forms for sure.
But if you are talking Hong Kong or other places… I have no clue.
18 Elders said LKS taught 10 - 11 forms.
My questions are:
- What are those forms?
- Are they being taught in CP’s WL.
I’d like to ask MC myself but don’t think he would be receptive to be asking questions.
Hua Lin??? What can you do?
If anyone has been to the WL headquarters Hong Kong ( I think)
can you contribute to this discussion?
Yu Shan: true true about knowing forms and not apps.
Interestingly enough: Many styles only have about 10 forms.
joe mantis
went to the WL headquarters in hong kong, it was just chan wan ching’s wife’s house with some pictures on the wall. MC said nobody there trains WL.
I would think if people did still train it then when MC took all those group trips to hong kong and china then the students would have trained with some wah lum people but i don’t think anyone ever did.
we went to his village and did a demo and saw the locals do a demo, they did fan cha and it was the first form they learned. It was a little different.
Mantis Cave lists many people that studied under LKS.
Can’t anyone contact these people and get some additional info?
Hey 18 isn’t Fan Cha an Eagle Claw form?
Joe Mantis-
Good Call!
Any KFOers in Hong Kong? Anyone going soon or know any PMers who live there?
Joe Mantis
I still believe that any of the original material passed on to MC is at the top. I’m sure he keeps it close. One clue is the fact that Big Mantis appears to be the WL version of Beng Bu. It’s currently on 6th Level. Quite a ways up there if you’re familiar with WL. He also told me WL has Luan Jie but it’s different. Don’t know what it’s called or when you learn it (by the time I get to it I’ll be too old to do it). Listed under Advanced Wah Lum Fist forms is Tong Long Juk Dung - Praying Mantis Exits Cave. Again, it might not look like other versions.
Also, the WL Headquarters moved back to the mainland. Not sure if WL exists in HK anymore. Been there 2 times and never saw any.
Shaolinlueb
“is there a big mantis to go along with little mantis?”
There is a Big Mantis to go with Little Mantis. There is also a Big Fan Cha to go with Little Fan Cha. What I haven’t seen is a Big Open Gate to go with Little Open Gate.