eagle beak, crane beak, phoenix eye etc
pros and cons.
how do you open your palm?
willow leaf, tiger claws, dragon claws, eagle talon etc
pros and cons.
It took me a long time to get used to CLF’s fists. It just felt so different from the way I’ve always been taught. Now it’s like second nature.
in tong bei fist, I prefer the middle finger protruding fist, it is used to hit pressure point along the midline of the body.
in ba gua, I like dragon claws, it is used to grab and hold.
in shaolin fist, I like the leopard fist—
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eagle beak, crane beak, phoenix eye etc
pros and cons.
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The fist with the thumb held like this allows one to use the palm side of the fist as well as the finger “shins” to strike with as well. Phoenix eye fist, the advantage is that if it is trained well, it is not a lot of fun to deal with, and can be used to hammer, backfist, strike with the protruding knuckle, etc.
I hold my fist closed, but relaxed until contact.
just like i hold my women! 
just like i hold my women!
With your thumb inside?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1014117]I hold my fist closed, but relaxed until contact.[/QUOTE]
yes. in tong bei.
there is a practice of drilling/middle fist or zuan quan/zhong quan.
you actually move forward your open palm and right before contact, you clench/close your fist to hit.
of course, you move your whole body forward, too, I mean you move your lead foot forward and your rear foot follows. when you land your feet, you also land your fist.
it took me a long while to learn.
I strike with the lower 3 large knuckles of the fist, and I hold the forearm, wrist, and hand rigid on impact, but even with the fist at striking form you can easily slide a finger into the fist, and I can wiggle the fingers easily. I hold the thumb tight down against the top of the fist so that it does not get shoved back though.
Not real tight, just enough to prevent it from injury. The only thing tight or rigid is the forearm to the large knuckles of the fist. The rest is fairly loose. It is amazing how hard you can hit like that.
hmmmm…
i train so that the whole arm and fist of any postion/positioning, can be the striking surface - everything and anything is appropriate for striking an opponent. whatever shape and alignment my fist and body may be in or at, it is an acceptable mode of issuing forth a strike, wether in blocking or attacking - this ensures that nothing is left out of ones practice… of course.
correct structure helps you to project optimal force.
there are many structural positions of the body and a huge amount are inappropriate for force generation that is optimal.
Better to find the structures that support good attack projection and lose those structures that don’t within the training.
Ultimately, you can do what you like. Doesn’t mean what you like is what works well.
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Ultimately, you can do what you like. Doesn’t mean what you like is what works well.[/QUOTE]
Thats what she said…
[SIZE=“1”]couldnt resist[/SIZE]
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1014417]correct structure helps you to project optimal force.[/quote]what is “correct” is highly subjective. 
there are many structural positions of the body and a huge amount are inappropriate for force generation that is optimal.
Better to find the structures that support good attack projection and lose those structures that don’t within the training.
Ultimately, you can do what you like. Doesn’t mean what you like is what works well.
this is why it’s best to NOT conform yourself to a set of pre-concieved notions of what is or isn’t correct in body structure… be like water. 
[QUOTE=uki;1014427]what is “correct” is highly subjective.
this is why it’s best to NOT conform yourself to a set of pre-concieved notions of what is or isn’t correct in body structure… be like water. :D[/QUOTE]
dude, you got some studying to do.
This commentary is what is referred to as “omniwrong”
the “notion” of correct structure is not preconceived. It is known what is correct and what is incorrect as far as skeletal structure, kinesthetics and muscular strength in context to martial activity.
did you not use a wooden template to create an arch?
Think man. Think!
I don’t think any part of your arm can be used as a weapon. There are several places where, regardless of conditioning, you could do some severe damage to yourself trying to use it as a striking surface.
Unless Uki’s point was inductive in nature, and he was simply saying that we don’t use enough of the surfaces that ARE appropriate for striking, relying too heavily on the fist instead of other appropriate areas.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1014147]just like i hold my women! ;)[/QUOTE]
Perfect, well said and explained.
Since I use the “thumb on top” fist, my PE fist is done accordingly.
[QUOTE=Drake;1014540]I don’t think any part of your arm can be used as a weapon. There are several places where, regardless of conditioning, you could do some severe damage to yourself trying to use it as a striking surface.
Unless Uki’s point was inductive in nature, and he was simply saying that we don’t use enough of the surfaces that ARE appropriate for striking, relying too heavily on the fist instead of other appropriate areas.[/QUOTE]omg… we have a winner here. vey well done there drake - no one in their right mind is gonna attack you with their funny bone.
I once tried to crush my opponents shin with my groin.
It didn’t work.