chiu chi ling performs the famous tiger crane hung gar set, a virtual encyclopedia of destruction…
I didn’t want to post any CLF links because the 3 styles hate each other but I found a good one with little form, heavy basics so we can see the BM without judging the quality of one lineage’s dance…
So you have all of these fists, the same stances but some schools lean forward a little bit more or way more according to some CLANS… really though when you anaylze these master clips what is the difference between these styles and how would the similarities enhance a san da/mma fighters repetoire?. did that make sense? like no wonder you don’t see gung fu in mma besides all of the really good GF guys are short so the marketing isn’t too great compared to a media campaign showcasing a tyson or a hogan…there is twenty variations onthe same freaging Sun Fist which is cool for the grandmaster key holder of the temple but it does **** for the promtion of the chinese martial culture.;)
What is the difference between the same punches in these three different styles which grew up in the same 'hoods. the same frat’s, the same unions etc?.
I didn’t want to post any CLF links because the 3 styles hate each other but I found a good one with little form, heavy basics so we can see the BM without judging the quality of one lineage’s dance…
So you have all of these fists, the same stances but some schools lean forward a little bit more or way more according to some CLANS… really though when you anaylze these master clips what is the difference between these styles and how would the similarities enhance a san da/mma fighters repetoire?. did that make sense? like no wonder you don’t see gung fu in mma besides all of the really good GF guys are short so the marketing isn’t too great compared to a media campaign showcasing a tyson or a hogan…there is twenty variations onthe same freaging Sun Fist which is cool for the grandmaster key holder of the temple but it does **** for the promtion of the chinese martial culture.;)
What is the difference between the same punches in these three different styles which grew up in the same 'hoods. the same frat’s, the same unions etc?.[/QUOTE]
You won’t see any kungfu in mma if you are expecting to see the techniques played like they are in the forms. Every technique has a classical and practical application. You can use the hands in mma, you just keep everything in tighter. The concepts still work
[QUOTE=SDJerry;968399]You won’t see any kungfu in mma if you are expecting to see the techniques played like they are in the forms. Every technique has a classical and practical application. You can use the hands in mma, you just keep everything in tighter. The concepts still work[/QUOTE]
Don’t get me wrong I’m not sad that you don’t see flying side kicks in a cage match because i mean imo it’s a good idea to presume that what you see on tv is stuff on tv…
However it would be nice if instead of having say ten thousand southern schools that practise these fists privatly to unite and make a proper standard southern wu shu fighting style based on the main families…they did this in the 60’s and 70’s with nan quan I wonder why the PRC hasn’t brought these forms to tv to gain international recognition…especially during the recent olympics.
This line of Hap Gar not only has a similarity to CLF but also to White Crane and Mok Gar, because Chan Koon-Pak taught Wong Fok-Wing (Huang Fu-Rong ) who in turn taught Ng Siu-Chung (Wu Zhao-Zhong ), who later called his style White Crane (Bak Hok Pai ) and also to Lum Yum-Shun (Lin Yin-Chang ) who later called his style Mok Gar (Mo Jia ).
However, Ng Siu-Chung’s White Crane is not the same as the Fujian White Crane and Lum Yum-Shun’s Mok Gar is not the same as the Guangdong 5 Fists (Hung, Lau, Choy, Lee, Mok) Mok Gar. Same names but different styles and lineage.
What is even more confusing is Wong Fok-Wing called his style Hap Gar (Xia Jia ) after branching off from Chan Koon-Pak, but again it is not the same as Wong Yan-Lum’s (Wang Yin-Lin , one of the Guangdong 10 Tigers) Hap Gar and at one stage it was also called White Crane, so this line of Hap Gar and Bak Hok are the same thing at one stage.
Confusing enough? The point I am trying to make is that they (Wong, Ng and Lum’s Hap Gar, White Crane and Mok Gar) have some similarity to CLF because they have part of their roots in CLF through Chan Koon-Pak via Wong Fok-Wing.
[QUOTE=SDJerry;968399]You won’t see any kungfu in mma if you are expecting to see the techniques played like they are in the forms. Every technique has a classical and practical application. You can use the hands in mma, you just keep everything in tighter. The concepts still work[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;968509]I don’t agree that you won’t see kungfu in mma.
overhand strikes are basically charp choi
gwa sao is a dropping backfist
den choy is a swinging backfist
ping choy is a jab as is yut gi choy and both are crosses as well
sow choy is a hook when tight and a haymaker when large.
special names aside, punching is punching, kicking is kicking, locking is locking and throwing is throwing.
saying something is this or that in context to mma is moot.
mma draws from any style.[/QUOTE]
I think you might have misunderstood me. I simply meant that if you were expecting the techniques to look exactly as they do in the sets… you’ll have a hard time finding them. You are absolutely correct in the fact that it’s all in there… but the practical applications often look different than the form counterparts.
An ox horn is basically an overhand but the angles are different when fighting verses throwing it while stepping into a bow stance like at the end of tiger crane. Does that make sense? I can see where someone might have a hard time seeing techniques if they were looking for the latter.
Another example and this is just my opinion… when Rashad Evans knocked out Chuck, it looked to me like he was using wood hand. He hit him with a hook but the part of the fist that connected was the same as if you were knocking on a door. To me, that’s wood.
I’m not saying he had that techinque in mind, I’m sure it’s a hook to him, but I saw a technique there. It definitely worked too!
I’ve seen several K.O.'s where the punch in question looked exactly like kup choy, but of course to the fighter it was an overhand right. Other K.O. punches have appeared the same as cheong ngan choy, full sow choy, and dot choy (spinning back fist). Not only resembling said punches in appearance, but in the approach/setup as well. I put that down to, simply, what works works, regardless of what it’s called.
He uses the principles of his art, but it doesn’t look like a baqua form.