wall,
One doesn’t need to physically look the part to know the ins and outs of proper weight training.
Iron Fists great physique is a product of his knowledge and his genetics (combined).
I’ve seen a lot of guys who built themselves bigger, but they’re methods leave much to be desired except by them.
IronFist has actually studied, not just worked out, I believe.
Robinf…I agree completely, in fact most top coaches are usually not top athletes, or at least no longer, but rather greatly knowledgeable. It was just a personal consideration: I had heard so much about Iron’s “huge vascular shoulders” and “ripped abs” and … His physique is visually good but didn’t really fulfill the above expectations (IMO) beyond what an average male can achieve in 1-2 years of appropriate training and eating, that’s all.
I didn’t know that an average male could achieve that look. Perhaps that’s because so many don’t.
To achieve his look takes a great deal of discipline most men appear to lack.
That in itself makes IronFist just that much better looking. That he not only has the knowledge and the genetics, but has the conviction and discipline.
wall: Easier said than done, though.
Ironfist showing off his mussels from Brussels.
You vain, vain, bastard.
Wall -
I don’t think most normal men can achieve Iron’s body or BF% even with years of training. Some can sure. But I have seen guys that worked out intensely for years, doing what everybody else did, and you know, they just always kind of looked the same. They looked good. They were very strong. Some people are boxy, or their muscle bellies are short, or other things that we cannot change a lot.
RobinF said:
Iron Fists great physique is a product of his knowledge and his genetics (combined).
Most definately. And his discipline to perform, based on that same knowledge I might add.
His abs are ripped like a MF what do you do for those, bro? Janda situps or something?
P.S. I never got the sense from IF’s posts that he resprented himself as some kind of beefcake. In fact I was impressed to see those photos. Especially considering he’s a college student
nice one iron fist!! i could probably have reasonable definition if i wasn’t so gorilla like, lol. without sounding gay, do you wax or something?
I appreciate the compliments.
Ok. For those of you who thought I was huge or something, you do not understand my metabolism. I have that same level of body fat regardless of what I eat. I’m actually rather content at this size for the time being, which is good because I stay this size even at like 6000 calories a day (although now I’m probably only at 3 or 4000).
Finally, as wall pointed out, I guess people expect size and knowledge to directly correlate. Perhaps this is why commercial gyms wouldn’t hire me as a trainer 
Oh well
His abs are ripped like a MF what do you do for those, bro? Janda situps or something?
Actually, I don’t really do any specific ab work. Maybe a couple times a month when I think about it. Heavy deadlifting, squatting, and benchpressing is really the only ab work I get. This just helps me prove what I’ve always said here:
Definition is a result of low bodyfat levels (and of course having the muscle developed in the first place).
When I started getting in to fitness in highschool I used to do hundreds of crunches a day, but what did I know back then?
But when I think about it, I’ll usually do a few sets of Janda situps. Oh yeah, I used to do Dragon Flags for a while last semester, but only like 2 or 3 reps thrown onto the end of a workout.
IronFist
[i]nice one iron fist!! i could probably have reasonable definition if i wasn’t so gorilla like, lol. without sounding gay, do you wax or something?
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Oops, you posted that reply right as I was posting my last one so I missed it. Haha.
No, I don’t wax. Trim occassionally, but I don’t have that much hair to begin with. Taking photos relies a lot on both lighting and being sufficiently tan. My friend’s room just happened to have good lighting.
IronFist
cool, i might have a trim a take a few pics of me for the fun of it
im the same with regards to diet, i eat loads and most of it is crap, i work at a petrol station part time and we have these cheese rolls that have 60g of fat per roll!!! lol. im not as big or cut as you but i get away with eating usually 100 - 250 grams of fat a day and still look like im in fairly good shape. i like my metabolism
Actually, I stand by the notion that an average-genetic male (by average I mean not exceptional genetics, good or bad) with appropriate training/eating can achieve similar visual results (visual and actual strenght are often only partially related ) in 1-2 years training max (assuming the right amount of knowledge and dedication to both training and eating).
5+ years of training, if done right and with dedication, should yeld (for the average genetic guy) IMO more visual (if that’s the benchmark we are talking about) results, such as more musculature in key areas (eg lats), more visible abdominals, etc.
Is this post getting a little fruity? “wax”? ..if you are a hairy bear, stay hairy bear!
I agree with Iron, heavy weights will not make you any less ripped. Much of that debate revolves around genetics, NUTRITION, and intensity.
Wall - I will go with you on this one with one big caveat:
The average male would have to have a very serious diet, and then they could potentially get ripped like that. Also, males over 30 yrs, would have an extreemly difficult time getting ripped like Iron without good genetics. There is no arguing the muscle shape thing. There is no telling what those muscles will actually look like although they will be stronger and in much much better condition. People cannot change the shape of their muscles. An example is Lou Ferrigno’s long bicepts vs. Franco Columbo’s short bicepts. They could make their bicpets bigger and stronger, but the shape always conformed to their genetic pre-disposition.
Wall - ok, I felt guilty, so I went back and looked closely at all of Irons pics again. Yes, the average male could do it. Depending on the age, many would have trouble getting ripped, but conversely they would also be able to get more mass easier I think. Not that Iron is thin. But he will thicken up in the next 20 years even if he stops lifting weights.
i agree with cd in that i’ve heard from various sources that its much easier to gain mass after age 30. people over 30 seem to have broader shoulders and chests, regardless of wether they work out or not
IMO mass is harder to gain than definition… with a speedy metabolism like mine anywayz. ive never weighed more than 175,
even in my days of massive beer drinkin’ in college (like in the pic on my sig)
look at brandon scott lee - that dude EXPLODED with muscle mass once he started gettin older (did u see him in “soldier” ?)
Hey guys, where is this coming from? Some of you sound disappointed that I’m not huge. I never said I was huge in the first place. All I’ve ever said about myself is that I’m an ectomorph and I have proportionally big shoulders, especially considering the fact that I never work them directly.
IronFist
Ironfist is ripped. Actually the mass on his upper body looks very good to me. Trust me, with that little body fat thats all hard muscle. Good thigh definition too.
Thanks for the compliment, sapphire tygre. My quads have decent definition but they’re a bit skinny. I have to turn my leg out a bit to make it look bigger.
IronFist
Iron’s always said that he’s not big, not that his size should correlate to his knowledge. And I know people who have been training for several years and don’t look like that. Theoretically, yeah, it can be done, but maintaining such a low body fat % is easier said than done.
Originally posted by SevenStar
Theoretically, yeah, it can be done, but maintaining such a low body fat % is easier said than done.
I just want to reitterate that I don’t maintain this bodyfat level by choice. Yes, it’s nice sometimes, but I absolutely do NOT eat clean. So don’t ask me for diet secrets cuz I don’t know. If you want to copy my diet eat a lot of pizza and Hungry Man dinners. Also, eat at McDonalds almost every day. I don’t eat fries very much just because they make me feel kind of gross, and I don’t drink much pop.
Oh yeah, and I usually have one N-Large shake each afternoon when I get home from class.
IronFist