Yo Iron, Fordperfect and anyone

Do you think that due to genetics, some people may not be able to attain a 6 pack.

Reason I ask is I have been at this for over 10 years bulkin up and trimmin down tryin to retain some mass and gettin to a 6 pack, but I only get a 4 pack.

There seems to be this layer at the bottom of the stomach that just wont go away.

I’ve been training for over 3 years in conjuction with weights, kickboxing, cardio kickboxing, mountain bike riding and basket ball(not all at same time of course).

I’ve used mathematically portions of food, I’ve ate barely anything and I eat real healthy. It seems when I’m almost there, my body adapts to the training, even if I switch some things around and then resets to my normal bodyfat, which lies around 13.5% give or take, but its all on the bottom of the stomach.

Sorry for the run on, when I was training tonight , I was thinking about this?

any insight is appreciated.

Arhat

Yes I think so.

Same thing with people who run miles on end and they are still a little chubby.

Hey Arhat,

While there really isn’t a genetic factor stopping anybody from obtaining a 6-pack, there sure are genetic factors that can make it a hell of lot harder for some people. Depending on body type and genetic disposition for storing fat in adipose tissue, it can be really hard for some people to lose that layer of fat over their abdominal wall. I’ll link to a story for now since I’m busy at work. I’ll write more later, but please read the article and the articles that are linked inside it (specifically the “Don’t Diet” and “Running Man” ones) and come back with some questions.

http://www.t-mag.com/nation_articles/256beast.jsp

This guy is 100% for real.

Also don’t forget that abdominal shape is a genetic factor. Ever notice how in some people’s 6-packs the muscles are side by side, and in other people they are kind of staggered? That’s not a results of training, that’s just a result of how your muscle is shaped genetically.

I’m just trying to say that everyone’s genetics are a bit different. Ford helped you more, tho. Read the articles he linked to, I’m sure they’re good, too. (I’ll read them when I have more time later).

Good luck.

Man…

That article’s really got me wanting to look into the Fat Fast…

I remember the creator of it having a bad incident with glazed donuts that eventually took him off of it, but it seems like a good way to get some quick gains (losses), get some momentum going, and get some confidence to work for some more.

At least Fat Fast is pre-programmed; gives me some time to get over my laziness in logging my food & nutrition values- probably my biggest problem to date.

Those articles were very interesting and enlightening.

This definately opens my eyes to a new style of training and new rules to dieting. I’m also going to get more salmon into my diet. I’m not to keen on pill popping cause I look at the long haul. Do I want to pop a sleuth of pills at 50 yrs old. If I try to consume it naturally now then I can keep the same physique (somewhat) as I get older with no real wiening off period.

I am going to try this to see how it works. I like his approach to engery training workouts, with running the track for sprints instead of doing low intensity long period “fat burning” workouts.

I personally like training in the higher intensity workouts rather than the long haul low intensity.

Also, his do’s and dont of combining fats and carbs was something new.(enzymatic breakdown maybe??)

One question I do have is,Is fat that has been there for a longer period of time, harder to get rid of.
Does fat burning observe the FIFO(fresh in fresh out) theory. Or is it a random thing?

Thanks

Arhat

Not as far as I know. You may be predisposed to burn fat from some adipose tissue before others. Like you might burn more fat from your thighs than your stomach… Same goes for storing fat. In my experience, the place you are more predisposed to store fat is usally the last place the body goes to to burn it…

stupid lovehandles. :mad:

thanks fordperfect.

rubthebuddha-lol

iron, I am curious to hear your thoughts?>?

Adipose and adipex..hmmmm…

I don’t really know anything else that hasn’t been said already. Ford knows more about this stuff than me, anyway.

Cool, well thanks for the input guys

Much appreciated.

giving oneself the excuse of pre-disposition is self-defeating. If your moma was fat, and your daddy was fat, and your granddaddy was fat, that does NOT give you any excuse to be fat! Live life without limits, live your ideal life as your ideal self and accept nothing to the opposite. It was recently said by the Abbot Shi Yong Xin, that confidence is paramount. Don’t wonder if it’s possible, know it is …then find a way to make that statement true.

NO LIMIT!!!

^ Actually genetics play a pretty big role. I can maintain 8% bodyfat without much effort, but if someone told me I had to bulk up to 300lbs I couldn’t do it. It’s not a matter of will power or how much I would want to weigh 300lbs, it’s a matter of my metabolism will not allow me to weigh that much.

Now, you’re right in the fact that a lot of people blame genetics for the shape they’re in when they’re just being lazy, but it’s not always true.

You “couldn’t” ha? We don’t do “can’t” at our house. “Can’t” doesn’t exist.

(“what about cannot…” says my daughter. lol, no it doesn’t make a difference if you say it more politely) What you’re really saying is wont. I’m sure if you changed your whole lifestyle, it would be doable.

You can do it jimmy…you can do it jimmy :eek:

blooming lotus – ironfist’s metabolism is sickeningly fast. his arms would get tired before he ate enough food to gain that much weight. :smiley:

truly, we’d probably have to inject fat into his body to get him to gain more than 10 lbs. either that, or we could give him a silicon belly implant. :wink:

two previous posts were removed cause a couple folks weren’t playing nicely. i originally closed the thread, but then i just decided to be the despot and remove the naughty talk. both posters are indeed upstanding chaps, so don’t worry about that.

now, you better all play nicely. this isn’t the wing chun forum, so don’t make me get sandman to moderate your asses. :wink:

What’d I miss? :frowning: :smiley: I like the funny stuff.

Originally posted by rubthebuddha
[B]blooming lotus – ironfist’s metabolism is sickeningly fast. his arms would get tired before he ate enough food to gain that much weight. :smiley:

truly, we’d probably have to inject fat into his body to get him to gain more than 10 lbs. either that, or we could give him a silicon belly implant. :wink: [/B]

lol..
you guys are full-of-it…

In honesty though, my BMI rides between 16ish - 18.5ish…overrange is another story, but when your adding internal practice…better 46 kgs of iron than 100 of rubber :wink:

Originally posted by blooming lotus
[B]

lol..
you guys are full-of-it…[/b]

Um, no. Not everyone falls in the middle of the bell curve.

In honesty though, my BMI rides between 16ish - 18.5ish…overrange is another story, but when your adding internal practice…better 46 kgs of iron than 100 of rubber :wink:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You can’t go by BMI. According to BMI I’m overweight. You’ve all seen my pics. I win. Thanks for playing.

Yup,…I saw them …and I am doing no bulsht private ego war with you …

but if I was, right about now I would be RFLMFAO…

You’re right though, BMI charts were created from a western medincinal psychology( which as far I as I a concerned is incomplete and uninformed), but I still can’t condone overweightedness, you put presure on various systems (most westererns aren’t even aware exist) unnccessarily comprimising performance …

(steeling for restraint) hm hm…You are wide open for some serious funny As*ed comments here …but someone’s gotta stay grown and besides, … I hate being gnarly.
Cheers, love your work;)