TKD, LOL… unless they r black belt or higher, they are pretty weak. I’ve fought a lot of guys who said “Yo, I take TKD, don’t F with me” and then they get smashed in the face. TKD pepole probably do get real good, but not until u give them 30000000.00 for the belt tests and all that bullcrap. Tae Kwon Do? nah more like Take Your Doe.
Who said I didn’t have the discipline to learn a chinese martial art?
Yeah Flushing isn’t what you call tough, people there don’t bother you and crap but a lot of sh!t does go down in Flushing. Yeah Brighton Beach is a nice place too… home of the Russian mob… China Town is a nice place too, home of the Triads. Far Rockaway, nice beaches… ITALIAN MAFIA. Flushing is the same, a lot of Korean and Chinese gangs still around.
BTW I am leaning toward Wing Chun or San Shou/Muay Thai
Aikido I will take as well becoz the place I am signing up for only has classes 2twice a week.
Little China, better have a back-up plan for that throat shot you were talking about. I was in a street fight with a cracked up gang banger, hit him in the throat with a solid sun fist punch, felt it collapse under my fist, perfect strike, ..he didn’t even blink. I myself was kicked in the throat (oops) by a shorin-ryu black belt and was not hurt at all. just saying it’s an iffy target. go for the more damageable areas that will break. I’m sure someone will disagree with me, just sharing my experience.
cracked up? then they prolli didn’t feel it lol since they were rolln
You’re lucky you never fought ME when I was a TKD white belt, LittleChina.
My teacher was one of those HARD Korean old-school Tae Kwon Do masters who was the type of fighter who knew a lot of nasty jointlocks and pressure point moves. We, even as white belts, worked things like tiger claws, hidden elbows, and flying kicks
We kicked pads and each other constantly, and he had us going up and down lines repeatedly until our eyes were popping out. My blood pressure went down to 100/50 and my pulse went to 60 under his tutelage.
Had you walked into our dojang and said what you said, you probably wouldn’t have walked out on your own legs. You’d have been CARRIED OUT - and it would’ve taken only one of us white belts to do the damage.
That said, you’ll learn your lessons the hard way. After you get your butt KICKED, you’ll appreciate what I’m trying to SAVE YOU FROM.
When i was in grade 5, my judo instructor used to smack our shins and legs with bamboo, hit hundred pound punching bags and really work on conditioning and speed drills. All depends on who is teaching you…it has been said a hundred times, now go find someone to teach you!
Originally posted by HuangKaiVun
[B]You’re lucky you never fought ME when I was a TKD white belt, LittleChina.
Had you walked into our dojang and said what you said, you probably wouldn’t have walked out on your own legs. You’d have been CARRIED OUT - and it would’ve taken only one of us white belts to do the damage.
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take it easy, bruce.
LittleChina,
Bro I am NOT a big fan of TKD either but as Huang pointed out there is always an exception to the rule. I met one old korean ex-military officer who teaches TKD in Lombard on Ogden Avenue who really impressed me. The reason being, the guy knew what he was talking about as he had walked the walk and was so fast I barely saw the dude throw a few elbows at me, thats right elbows, when I asked him to show me some TKD self defense, he became very aggressive in his attack-which is the trademark of a guy who knows close combat-no high kick nonsense in freakin sight.
On one occasion he nailed me with two jabs to the chest and came real close with a barage of elbow spears to the face, all of this in a blur of MOBILE speed, and this guy was in his 60’s.
It kinda put into prespective again that day on how it really is the man and not the system when you get right down to the brass tacs. Now I have never seen another TKD guy like him but he was in my book an exception to the crap mcdojo’s around every block.
Peace.
Yeah ok, the only thing you proved is training hard shows results. Anyone can learn how to work themselves until exaustion by punching and kicking til they are sore. Bottom line is TKD as a martial art is weak.
Joint Locks ??? Yeah I thought they only taught that to the upper levels.
I don’t remember TKD guys being very good with their hands, they chamber everything which makes them more predicatible and some what stiff.
Some of the knife defending techniques are so **** gay and useless, and how are u suppose to defend against attacks when u have ur hands chambered to punch???
Yeah I would walk into a dojang and act like a hard ass, of course I’d get me ass kicked.
A good TKD can probably beat an average Joe on the street, but can he take someone who trained in something like lets say Muay Thai… HAha yeah I saw a vid clip of a muay thai guy beating the crap out of a tkd guy. everytime he went for a round house the kickboxer would kick his supporting leg.
Ok well im just ranting but my point is why the hell would I take something that costs x5 more with extra costs and that does not stand up well against other styles, even street fighters???
Cung Le took TKD and ended up with San Shou and Kickboxing.. why??? coz TKD is limited
That’s because you never met a good TKD fighter who DOESN’T chamber everything and CAN GRAPPLE.
The way my classmates and I were trained, we chambered our punches only in sets but NOT IN BAG WORK NOR SPARRING. If we did chamber, it was to keep our guard up the way boxers do.
Most kung fu styles I know have a chamber. Not all of them do, but a style like Wing Chun definitely does. So if you hate the chamber that much, don’t study at a Wing Chun or Shaolin school because you’ll be doing plenty of it.
You may have thought that jointlocks and submissions were kept for high levels, and indeed usually they are. NOT SO in THIS school. We worked on joint locks and takedowns (no ground maneuvers other than rolling at the white belt level) every class. Only after I quit did I find out that most schools don’t work this stuff.
We didn’t mess around with high kicks except in drills. In sparring, we kept our kicks low because otherwise we’d get knocked down. We didn’t grapple much, as we were all just white belts at the time.
I’ll bet us white belts in TKD would do just fine against white belts in just about any other discipline, including muay thai. Starting from day one, we learned how to FIGHT and even the sport aspect was geared toward that end. I took TKD from that master less than a year and quit only because I had to move. Even today, I still fight almost exactly the same as I learned in that TKD school - just with a lot more moves and a lot more grappling.
And indeed, some of those knife defending techniques ARE gay and useless. TKD isn’t a perfect art - no art is.
“Yeah ok, the only thing you proved is training hard shows results”
That’s exactly why you are NOT READY TO TRAIN.
whoa, where does it say that I am not ready to train hard? you need to calm down and stop being such an *******.
99% of TKD schools are money hungry *******s, why would I want to join in on that crap?
Little China-
I haven’t read the whole thread but I think there might be seven star mantsi N.Y.
Oh and umm on TKD’s defense
- My friends friend left kung fu for TKD for reasons unknown.
2)Hwang Jang Lee, the bad guy in drunken master 1 with the good kicks knows TKD and has been known to handle himself very well in the street.
Ok Ok ok ok ok.
LittleChina…
Go shopping for a school in your area. Look around. Get an idea. Our advice is being shot and put down.
It’s useless people. One has to go on his/her own and find out.
Besides, LittleChina, you described a NY that seems controlled by mobs. Come on. You don’t go to areas and deal with the mobs and gangs. What has gotten into you?
And Shaolinboxer, you’re from Phili. Don’t say “we New Yorkers..” That urks me. Just a thing of mine. Sorry.
Peace.
HuangKaiVun
Wing Cun chambers it punches eh?? if we chambered our punches while fighting it would completly defeat every princple WC is based on.
Oh, and for the same reason that i support gay people coming out, so there will be less competition for me, i think you should study anything but wing chun.
So tell me CanadianBadass, what style of Wing Chun do YOU study?
When you start the form, you don’t pull your arms up to your sides with fists up before opening into the pigeon-toe stance? And aren’t the moves in all three empty hand sets (Siu Lum Tao, Chum Kiu, and Biu Tze) performed often with the reverse hand chambered in a fist by the left side of the body?
I want to see this style of Wing Chun that doesn’t do this in Siu Lum Tao, CanadianBadAss. Slant body, Pao Fao Lein, Gee Shim - EVERY style of Wing Chun I’ve seen has the chambered fist by its side in the sets. If yours is different, you’ll succeed in showing me something that I haven’t seen before.
In combat, the chamber is not always used. But the way I was taught, the chamber could be a grab that pulled the opponent toward you while doing something to him with the other hand. Throws, chin na, even neck breaks and shoulder dislocations - these are but a few applications of the chambered hands I learned for combat applications.
Hi again,L.C.
It seems you made a popular post.Lots of proving about does style work,does your style work,my style beats your style etc.
I really don´t have the time to read them all out but just wanted to remind you about that “bad neighbourhood” stuff you´re into.
Hanging around with suspicious people makes suspicious things happen to you.I understand it´s not easy and all but that´s worthy.
Just a tip,I wish you well.
HuangKaiVun
“In combat, the chamber is not always used.”
In combat the chamber is never used (unless you’re not learning TST WC, then I wouldn’t know). I’m sure if you look really hard some obscure “application” could be found, but it wouldn’t be Wing Chun(maybe chi na?). As for the forms, that “chamber” is just where the arm waits while training the other side. And the movements are almost always moved from that position to the center line before they start anyway. And if you think you think the movements being started from the center line is an example of “chambering” you simply don’t understand wing chun. They start from that point to train principles, one of them being to take the shortest possible path for your fist to hit its target. So while you’re fighting, it doesn’t matter where your fist is, it takes the quickest path to your opponent’s center line, practically the opposite of chambering.
HuangKaiVun
What’s meant by chambering? I don’t understand the term.
I have never seen the term mentioned in any Yip Man Wing Chun or any other Wing Chun for that matter.
A vertical punch is thrust out from the centreline using the elbow. In the form you stress control and coordination and the movements are very precise (to show the mechanics of the technique - in the case of a vertical punch it stresses where the hand should be from a guard position).