Chan hak Fu & Wu gong yi
Does anyone know what went on between these two and what was the fight like. What exactly was it about?
Anyone got footage of the film?
Wu Style vs White Crane Footage…???
Greetings!
If you’re referring to the fight between Wu Kwong Yi and the White Crane Boxer, yes I have footage of it.
It is reported that 1954 the newspapers in Hong Kong started a controversy about Tai Chi Chuan being effective as a martial art. Claims were made and challenges were issued. Wu Kwong Yi agreed to fight only if the proceeds would be donated towards charity.
Witnessed by thousands they went at it.Due to the intensity of the fighters after two rounds a vote was taken and it was called a draw.
(IMO)it was not much of a fight, I did’nt see any technique, others may have a different opinion please feel free to share it.
“Verilly when truth arrives all falsehood shall perish”
[This message was edited by moslem boxer on 04-14-01 at 06:13 PM.]
Moslem Boxer
Where did you get the film from??? I also heard it wasn’t much of a fight but I still would like to see it.
Peace
Daryl
Greetings
The fight is at the beginning of the Wu Style Tai Chi Chuan instructional/demonstrational video, performed by Sifu Wu Kwong Yu ,Great Grandson of G.M Wu Chien Chuan.
I purchased the tape at Wu’s Tai Chi Chuan Academy
It’s just a few seconds long, the fight does’nt go beyond two rounds and it is’nt shown in it’s entirety.
“verilly when truth arrives all falsehood shall perish”.
[This message was edited by moslem boxer on 04-14-01 at 09:14 PM.]
Thanks for the Info Moslem Boxer. I suppose I am going to have to do a lot more searching to find the complete footage of the fight.
Cheers mate.
film footage
I heard that Chan Hak Fu went on to be a film star in the Hong Kong kung fu flicks. The film footage of the fight is supposed to be at the beginning of one of his films. Could be worth investigating. I would personally like to find out because Tung Ying Chieh did a demo before the fight and was apparently on this footage at the beginning of the movie as well.
I have seen the fight the white crane guy got beat up bad One of the rules was no kicking but the white crane guy broke that rule but he missed wu gong yi. Every time the white crane guy came near Wu gong yi punch him and the white crane guy would like run away finally wu gong yi used the grasping birds tale and broke his nose.
WHERE did you see the full fight?
where did you see it and how can i get a copy?
Wasnt there someone selling or trading the video of this fight awhiel ago?
video
Wu gong yi’s son has an instructional video and in the begining it has the fight. theres pics of the fight and you can buy it at www.wustyle.com
RORY
Is it the entire fight? I’ve heard the Wu edited the film unfairly.
which tape to buy?
there’s a couple of tapes…which one?
and is it the ENTIRE fight?
WALK THE CIRCLE
I’m working on finding the complete fight tape.
One of the former students of my Kwoon borrowed it and they haven’t seen it for a while.
One of the assistant instructors told me the wu did edit it unfairly. The first kick was thrown by wu gong yi in round one.
In the second round (not on the Wu tape) Chan hak fu starts landing some big shots, sending Wu nearly through the ropes.
I think the former student is back from college and now that I’ve reminded my brothers they’re trying to get the tape back.
I will dupe it as soon as I can get my hands on it.
Peace.
That sounds like an interesting match. How did they find an opponent for Wu Gong Yi?
When you win a fight, who do you think feels worse, you or your opponent?
Press
Supposedly the local press ran sidelines about Chinese Boxing. They questioned the combat effectiveness of tai chi chuan and both combatants got quoted (or mis-quoted) and wound up in the ring. It was more of a press event. It was billed as a charity match, though neither combatant was very charitable.
To this point I’ve only seen the edited version. Which consists of a 5 second brawl.
Chan Hak Fu was game, at only 32 he got in the ring with a legendary figure. This is the equivalent of capable, yet unproven boxer, taking on Mike Tyson. Wu looked incredibly confident at the outset, while Chan supposedly did his damage later when he realised the fabled Wu was just another man.
As to your other question, I can’t really say. I’ve felt as bad about beating someone as I have about losing. Be it a tournament, sports or an actual encounter.
At the age of 31, if I never had an actual fight
again it would be too soon. Luckily the “street fights” I’ve had were rather breif , withthe exception of one. I also have the benefit of living in a state where gun control laws are strict. I can’t imagine dusting it up with someone, say from New Orleans where every on packs
a peice.
That’s where I’m at now.
I’ve seen the fight and the white crane fighter gets beaten pretty badly. The fight got stopped after two rounds because right of the bat Wu gong yi lands a sqaure punch to the face. The white crane guy reels back and is flailing his hands about because he starts to bleed profusely from the nose. Wu gong yi could’ve finished him but instead gives the guy a chance to compose himself. The rest of the fight Wu gong yi hits the guy a few times but spends most of the time in an empty defensive stance. The fight is not a spectacular one. The way I heard the story, the white crane people were the ones that edited the fight. The white crane fighter does throw a kick but it doesn’t do much. I also heard, do to “politics” the fight was declared a draw so the white crane school would not lose face. I believe the story I heard because if we look at the facts, the fight takes place in Macao, a place that has a rep for producing some very tough white crane fighters. The fight is declared a draw which it clearly was not, and at the end of the fight we see this since Wu gong yi is sitting in his corner breathing a little heavier than normal, and the white crane guy is panting heavily with a towel over his head nursing a bloody nose. I’m not sure about all the “politics” and gossip, especially since I am getting only the Wu side of the story. I can say Wu gong yi won the fight, I saw the condition of the two fighters after the fight on tape.
“Pain is just weakness leaving the body”
WELL THEN.
Is it the edited version?
As far as the WC people editing the fight, it is the WU that sell it on their tapes, not the WC. As a matter of fact if you know of any tapes of WC that are not by Dr. Yang, Jwing Ming or Fukien themed I would appreciate if you could point me to them.
I have been told Wu Gong Yi threw a kick in the first round. (grounds for dis-qualification)
I have no reason to doubt this as of yet.
Go to the WU site. There are only 2 pictures of the fight. Both favoring Wu Gong Yi.
As far as “politics” are concerned, you can barely find any information on WC much less insist that they are disseminating any. I believe the Macao event was due more to the new hotel they put up rather than a strong WC prescence.
The WU had more to lose than the WC. The Tai Chi Chuan crowd was at perpetual odds with the Boxing community. WC really had nothing to prove and are a rather secluded bunch. Hell, my Kwoon is listed as an “Overseas Trading Company.” Ourphone is not listed, we do no marketing and my Sifu would be interested to know what and why there is an internet. Had I not stumbled across the sign and navigated many mis-directions, I would have never found the place.
At any rate, I don’t share lineage with Master Chan Hak Fu beyond origination, but I admire his courage. I am still impartial to this matter, yet genuinely interested. I will notify you when I obtain the tape. You may be right. Hopefully we’ll find out.
No matter what happened in the fight, I wouldn’t remotely entertain the thought of giving up on WC, nor should you ever consider giving up your WU tai Chi.
My gong-fu is not Master Chan Hak Fu’s, your gung-fu is not Wu Gong Yi’s. We have our own paths to walk with the sum of our existences. They found their truths, I hope I find mine.
Regards. Pete.
You bring up some interesting points Bai He. I do practice Wu gong yi’s form, but I’m not ruling out the possibility that the tape was edited by the Wu people. I don’t know if we’ll ever be able to find out what really happened. If you do find a tape from another source let me know. I’d like to order it to get some more insight on the fight. If I find anything I’ll let you know as well. I don’t doubt either fighter’s skill, I’d just like to see the full fight. I was also wondering if you know any sites where I can order other full contact kung fu fights. I’ve been trying (with no success) to find some tournament tapes that have traditional styles competing, not just the usual NHB type stuff.
“Pain is just weakness leaving the body”
only thing i’ve found
Is the Gracie challenge stuff..where they filmed people of various styles coming to their schools.
I’ve been looking for “traditional” kungfu fights also. No luck over the past 6 months.
Tawain use to have them a LOT! I know CC Chen (the tai chi master) was in many of these tournaments.
Please post if you find anything.
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I wanna see this Gracy footage of them taking on other people challening..is their a link to clips or something?
Where are the two pictures on teh WU site?
Michael Panzerotti
Taijutsu Nobody from the Great White North..