It’s time again to start preparing for the Great Lakes Kung Fu Championships.
Saturday April 9, 2011 in Cleveland, Ohio at Case Western Reserve University. All the Kung Fu Forms and Weapons Divisions you want, Continuous Sparring, Shuai Chiao, San Shou and Internal Divivisions.
Anyone that wants to give a seminar at Great Lakes Tourney (Seminars are done on Sunday) is welcome to let me know. All you have to do is be a judge at the tourney on Saturday.
Another thing we are working on for Great Lakes is Advertizers and Sponsors. We need sponsors for different areas of the tourney. If you are interested in sponsoring a part of it or advertizing your self or business, please contact me ASAP
Ginosifu,
Can I ask you two questions? First, now even the IWUF has dropped the “continuous strikes to the head” rule from sanshou. So why do you keep it?
Also, as your event is NOT a IWUF event, why do you prohibit knees? As a person with Shuai Jiao background (I think that is correct) why wouldn’t you want knee strikes?
I am always looking for places to take my fighters, but the no head strikes and no knees format just makes it impossible for us to compete
David,
The ruleset comes from Dr. Chi Hsiu Weng. I am not sure if it is thru his connections in China or Taiwan that he bases the ruleset from. But it is part of the U. S. S. A. (United States Shuai Chiao Association).
If you want to discuss this with my teacher John Ervin (tournament promotor) He can explain it better than I can.
The head stuff is 2 consecutive strikes to head is ok, after 3 hits to the head you gotta go somewhere else. Like 2 head then round kick to thigh then back to head again. I think they are trying to reduce head injuries.
The head stuff is 2 consecutive strikes to head is ok, after 3 hits to the head you gotta go somewhere else. Like 2 head then round kick to thigh then back to head again. I think they are trying to reduce head injuries.
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This rule did exist in IWUF competition but it has been abandoned for more than 10 years now. It is, in the opinion of many, hard to say “we do full contact” and yet restrict punches like this. IE if you don’t want to get hit in the head, don’t do full contact.
There was also a feeling the only reason the IWUF used this rule was the Chinese were really bad boxers!
I know Dr Weng. I know he was involved in the IWUF stuff here in the US so I guess that is where he got the rules from, but like I said, they abandoned the head shot rule over 10 years ago
I also personally like knees, and again, in China, they have changed the rules.
We are just used to hitting people in the head and kneeing them
so where do you draw that line between full contact VS limted contact???
to me when i hear full contact right away i assume it means headshots and knees are allowed… i never took full contact to mean you hit harder lol, i thought it meant you could hit anywhere with any limb… nutts not included ofcourse…
where do you draw that line??? just curious…
can i find any of the tourneys matches on youtube???
Our San Shou is not that different than any other. However the ruleset states no more than 3 consectutive hits to the head, then change for one hit somewhere else. Then you can go right back to the head! It’s really not a big deal when your fighting… you’ll never really notice the difference as a fighter. We just don’t have knee attacks.
One other rule I dislike about the GL tournament is the push out rule, if you get pushed out of the ring twice you lose the round, resulting in losing the fight. If someone is deliberately going out of the ring to engage I can see this, but what happened to me and other matches I saw is when someone was getting beat the other guy would bull charge them out of the ring resulting in a win.
I personally think this needs to be changed as well.
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1071147]One other rule I dislike about the GL tournament is the push out rule, if you get pushed out of the ring twice you lose the round, resulting in losing the fight. If someone is deliberately going out of the ring to engage I can see this, but what happened to me and other matches I saw is when someone was getting beat the other guy would bull charge them out of the ring resulting in a win.
I personally think this needs to be changed as well.[/QUOTE]
As my Sifu says…“evade, evade evade”;)…and use his momentum to put himself out of the ring
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1071147]One other rule I dislike about the GL tournament is the push out rule, if you get pushed out of the ring twice you lose the round, resulting in losing the fight. If someone is deliberately going out of the ring to engage I can see this, but what happened to me and other matches I saw is when someone was getting beat the other guy would bull charge them out of the ring resulting in a win.
I personally think this needs to be changed as well.[/QUOTE]
There is a specific throw that we teach to counter the “Push Out”. I don’t know if I can explain it well here.
As he is pushing you backwards, Stop, turn and allow him to continue his forward momentum. As you turn stick one of your legs out and trip his legs. Continue turning and pull him out of bounds while you stay stationary.
[QUOTE=ginosifu;1071296]There is a specific throw that we teach to counter the “Push Out”. I don’t know if I can explain it well here.
As he is pushing you backwards, Stop, turn and allow him to continue his forward momentum. As you turn stick one of your legs out and trip his legs. Continue turning and pull him out of bounds while you stay stationary.
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Pretty much along the same line I was thinking. We have similar moves in mantis;)
I will be at the tournament again this year Any carpoolers? Share hotel costs…etc? Hey TaiChiMantis…
Also Sifu Gino… I am a traditional guy but due to lack of more traditional kung fu in my area and my need to keep in shape I have been training with a sifu of modern wushu. I saw one wushu guy there last year.
Maybe we can due a seminar?
What is your feeling on a self defense seminar or maybe Krav Maga???
[QUOTE=brazilusa;1071527]I will be at the tournament again this year Any carpoolers? Share hotel costs…etc? Hey TaiChiMantis…
Also Sifu Gino… I am a traditional guy but due to lack of more traditional kung fu in my area and my need to keep in shape I have been training with a sifu of modern wushu. I saw one wushu guy there last year.
Maybe we can due a seminar?
What is your feeling on a self defense seminar or maybe Krav Maga???
I would definately like some flyers!!![/QUOTE]
I can not guarrantee you will due well in traditional kung fu divisions if you do a modern wushu form. Some of the Judges are kinda old school. But some are more modern and may judge you by your skill level and not penalize for the wushu form you perform.
If you would like to due a seminar please… you are welcome. Just have you or your Sifu call the tournament promotor John Ervin and talk with him about it.
We are in the process of sending out flyers… anyone want to get one? Send me your street address and I have one sent your way. EarthDragon… send me your address and I will send one to you.
also:
Mooying Mantis - Richard Tolson will do a seminar on Mantis techniques… on Sunday following the tournament. This might be a chance for that meeting of the kung fu forum? anyone interested in hooking up? we can chat and stuff while Richard does his seminar and maybe after go out to lunch?
Dale…
Good luck with school. After you graduate you are always welcome to come (I meant to give) a seminar. There probably always be another Great Lakes Tourney as well.
Any carpoolers? Share hotel costs…etc? Hey TaiChiMantis…