at its very best its harder, basic shaolin…and its rarely at its very best.
Originally posted by Stacey
at its very best its harder, basic shaolin…and its rarely at its very best.
Stacey Master of Wu Shu, I would say that most Shotokan BBs would wax a modern Shaolin exponent. What they do is closer to old school Southern Shaolin than all the Wu Shu out there. Basics are the reason for arts that are successful in the street. Just ask a GJJ guy how important kihon (basics) are.
I like Shotokan and it is better than Wado Ryu, Rogue- IMHO. Kyokushinkai, Shotokan, Shorinji Kempo, S hito Ryu, Japanese Goju then Wado. I would have Wado rated higher but Ohtsuka was trying to reinvent the wheel. The JJJ principles he adopted to “polish-up” the Shotokan he learned from Funakoshi were already there in the Okinawan styles. It’s called ti/tuite/gyakute/tegumi whatever. I hate all this making karate “truly Japanese” BS.
BTW the Tiger Brigade in 'Nam: those cats did real TKD. Are there any of those guys around teaching nowadays? My sensei still raves about the “karate” they did and how close it was to Matsmura Seito and other Shorin styles.
Good thread hope the Chuan Fa guys aren’t mad atcha for talking about karate. It is all Chinese after all (via Egypt).
BTW the Tiger Brigade in 'Nam: those cats did real TKD. Are there any of those guys around teaching nowadays?
I’ll double check with my Sah bum nim next time I see him, I think he had contact with them. I’ve been trying to find reliable info on what they used and who they learned from. I’ve also heard about a name change for what the Korean SpecOps guys used for H2H. It may be the old TKD, may be something else altogether. The TB had something going though.
But doing TKD dont you do all that stuff?
High kicks, Competion, do you waer all of those dumb head and foot gear?
Surferdude, You have to remember that almost all the early TKD guys were karateka, usually Shotokan. In the early days of TKD they used Shotokan kata, Shotokan training methods, and Shotokan techniques. For all intents and purposes it was Korean karate. When things started to change not all of the TKD folk followed in lockstep. Some added parts of the Chon Ji set (like us) but still kept the Japanese kata and style. Our school has baffled Shotokan guys because we look similar to Shotokan but most of our kata is different. We’ve also baffled some ITF guys because the hyung are the same but we move smooth and direct without the bounce and swings that they do. It’s kind of fun to train with them.
Anyways, we can use high kicks if we want to do them but they’re not a real part of our kwan, we can compete if we want but it’s on our own and finally we wear a cup, mouth guard, gi and that’s about it during sparring which is about moderate to heavy moderate intensity.
Originally posted by rogue
Surferdude, You have to remember that almost all the early TKD guys were karateka, usually Shotokan. In the early days of TKD they used Shotokan kata, Shotokan training methods, and Shotokan techniques. For all intents and purposes it was Korean karate. When things started to change not all of the TKD folk followed in lockstep. Some added parts of the Chon Ji set (like us) but still kept the Japanese kata and style. Our school has baffled Shotokan guys because we look similar to Shotokan but most of our kata is different. We’ve also baffled some ITF guys because the hyung are the same but we move smooth and direct without the bounce and swings that they do. It’s kind of fun to train with them.
Anyways, we can use high kicks if we want to do them but they’re not a real part of our kwan, we can compete if we want but it’s on our own and finally we wear a cup, mouth guard, gi and that’s about it during sparring which is about moderate to heavy moderate intensity.
Nice:D
Thanks. Let me clarify that striking to the head is discouraged during sparring, but you can tap or slap on the noggin if your opponent keeps dropping his guard. We practice a form of sparring that doesn’t replicate the real world but still lets the fighters go home with some excellent injuries!
Rogue,
I think those old Korean ROK marines used a form of military hand to hand called Tukong Moosul. I would bet a mix of stripped down tkd, hapkido, korean judo, and silent kill/sentry removal methods.
You may be right BJ, maybe they just called it TKD. But there is a difference between the old karate style TKD and what is now TKD. Sometimes it’s hard to figure out what Koreans are doing since they just love to revise their martial history.