From the past.......

Hi folks,

Got some pics and articles from old magazines that you might like.

  1. GM Chiu Chuk Kai – this is for you Robert. Got a bunch of pictures/articles about your style featuring forms etc. If you like, I could scan all and send them to you. In return, you send me a crate of Canadian beer hahaha…

  2. Hak Fu Mun. Article talks about history and the 10 Animals form of HFM.

  3. Iron ruler from Southern Tai Chor. This Sifu is Taiwanese.

  4. Chu Gar Praying Mantis.

  5. Very interesting Hap Gar article. According to this article, Hap Gar doesn’t do any form only but only 16 techniques in various permutations.

Some articles are clipped because this site allows max 100kb attachment.

Regards.

One more, love this one.

“Shaking Crane” from Taiwan. Hey, I am a Crane guy afterall…:slight_smile:

Tiger Crane Combination.

And for those of you in Hungga, this article should be interesting read;

  • founded by Tiger Boxer Hung Ee Kan and wife Chen Eng Choon, a Crane expert.

  • various sets of “Sam Chien” to build body to withstand heavy blows.

  • started in Fukien.

Article from a Singapore magazine “Bushido” published in 1973.

Here’s a style that, I believe, was never introduced in any commercial magazine.

And I don’t think it ever left the Sarawak shores; Shaw Lim Ing Choon or ShaoLin Yong Chun.

According to their 1981 in-house magazine, this style is Fukien and comes directly from Shaolin Damo Kung Fu.

A major part of their principles revolves around Tun, Tu, Fo and Chen; attributes you would normally associate with San Chiems.

Looking at their list of forms, many seem Southern Tai Chor related.

Pic 1 – cover of the magazine.

Pic 2 – Postures from their form “Ing Choon Damo Fist 1st Road”.

Regards.

Hi Eric,

Thanks for all the wonderful pictures. :slight_smile: I would also like to thank you for the offer of the article and picture of my style as well. I wonder if these are from the New Martial Hero magazine? I have a collection of them given to me by the late Eric Ishii, who’s also a TJPMer at one time. So to be honest, I am more interested in your Crane stuff (but then who wouldn’t). :smiley: especially the old manuscripts one because I believe that would provide clues to a lot of the question such as evolution of hand to hand combat in southern China since late Ming to early Qing dynasty.

Canadian beers in general suck. I wouldn’t touch them unless it’s absolutely necessary. :wink: Now microbrewries are exception. But then if you have a prefered brand of Canadian beer just let me know. :slight_smile: BTW, Canadian Ice Wine is a different story. It’s could be think of as liquid gold. :slight_smile:

Once again thank you for the generous sharing of material and information here. I hope I will be able to reciprocate in kind.

Warm regards

Robert

Nice stuff Eric,

It just shows you of the diversity of styles that abound within the CMArts, especially in the south. I second Mantis108’s motion in giving you thanks for sharing such.

DRleungjan :slight_smile:

Hi Robert and all,

Canadian beers suck??? Ooookay, one more reason not to visit hahaha…

Seriously, “New Martial Hero” is one of the many magazines I collected back in the 70s and 80s. There are others; see links.

My prized collection, however, are the in-house magazines published by the hundreds of schools/clubs found all over Singapore & Malaysia in the last 30+ years.

Sadly, only a fraction of these clubs are left today.

This kind of in-house magazines is packed with info like history, lineages and principles of the myriad of styles taught in this region.

I talked about this in WuLin; when Chinese left the mainland, they resettled all over the world. Robert, are you Canadian born?

The majority calls SE Asia home (apart from Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macao). Go to any part of SE Asia like Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines Malaysia and Singapore and you are very likely to bump into sizeable Chinese population.

Singapore is interesting in this aspect in that the Chinese are the majority race. 70% of the population. We got Chinese from all over mainland here. And along with this, a kaleidoscope of CKF got replanted here.

Many Kung Fu school started out in what we call “Clans Association”. So you got the Fukien Association, Kong Chow, Fuzhou and Fuching Association, Horpor Kek Association etc etc…

Many Sifu also moved on to start their own schools. Unfortunately back in the 60s & 70s, the triads were very active and many of these gangs recruited “fighting hands” from CKF schools.

One of the most notorious was a gang known as “18 Koon Tong” – really blood-thirsty. When these guys fight, they take limbs and lives; anything goes.
“18 Koon Tong” was somewhat related to the Shaolin group in Singapore back in the 70s.

Familiar with “Pai Si” ceremony? Triads’ initiation ceremonies share common rituals and ideas.

Not sure how many of you do this; recite your “pai” poem to identify yourself? A leftover practice from the Ching era I supposed. The Tongs do the same.

And they got one that is almost Shaolin that starts with “I arrive here on a Red Junk………” recited in Fukinese.

All these gangs and CKF alliances created much social problems and the government stepped in to regulate MA activities.

Every school, teacher and member need to be screened and approved. A special “Martial Arts Control Unit” was created within the CID (Criminal Investigation Branch – we take after the British) to look after this operation.

I remember MACU officers visiting and stopping training to spot check and some of them could be real high-handed

All this could have contributed to the waning of enthusiasm in CKF – I am not sure.

Personally I think everything went downhill for TCMAs in Singapore when the “Singapore National Pugilistic Federation” got converted into “National WuShu Association”.

“Singapore National Pugilistic Federation” organized the first ever regional traditional Kung Fu competition in 1969 – “1st South East Asia Pugilistic Tournament” with participants from all over this region including Hong Kong & Taiwan.

That event saw the who’s who of Chinese Martial Forest.

Okay the pics:-

  1. New Martial Hero

  2. Martial Magazine

  3. Kuen Way - one of the few bi-lingual mags from HK.

  4. Kung Fu Magazine - like this one because of the in-depth write-ups.

  5. Chinese Fist - another good one with beautiful covers.

Continue from above – every message allows max of 5 attachments – not my fault….

  1. A monthly published by “Singapore National Puglistic Federation”.

6a. A page from inside above magazine.

  1. A White Crane manual compiled by a joint study group.

  2. Real Kung Fu – This was also circulated in the West. I think Evert got some in his collection.

  3. Bushido Magazine from Singapore. The top right square shows Sifu Low Koy Tho, handpicked by Late Ven. Sek to be the custodian of Shaolin Monkey Art.
    The bottom right square shows my late Shaolin Sifu Chong Beng Joo – a legend in CKF circle around here. Nicknamed the “Iron Fist”, Sifu Chong was a no-nonsense Shaolin Master. A true Lohan expert.

Regards.

Eric,

Great record keeping!

You must have lots of these old mags collected. To bad there wasnt a scanner decades ago when I was leaving Penang. all my mags sold to the old mags kios… Now looking back. some sad feeling…

Peace

Sifu Lo Wai Keong

Happen to peep into the “Lama” thread and read the name “Lo Wai Keong”.

So …

Hi Hendrik,

“all my mags sold to the old mags kios” - aaaarrrrggghhh what were you thinking?

Penang Laska or Rojak maybe?

Peace my friend.

Regards.

Long time ago there are lots of Indian run old books/magazine kio around Mcalister road or Tiong Lo which is close to Heng Yee elementery school…

so, there we can buy and sell old martial art magazine including buying black belt magazine or electronics magazine such as wireless world or radio electronics..

Cha Kue Teo or Bak Kut Teh were great around that area too. Hahahaha

well

Starry, starry night
Paint your palette blue and grey
Look out on a summer’s day
With eyes that know the darkness in my soul
Shadows on the hills
Sketch the trees and daffodils
Catch the breeze and the winter chills
In colours on the snowy linen land …

Life passed so fast…

are you in Saba/serawak or Singapore lately?

Peace

Hi Hendrik,

Spending most part of the year in Kuching Sarawak and going back to Singapore every now and then.

Bak Kut Teh – best around KL area.

Char Kuay Tiao – I’ll show you good CKT if ever we meet in Singapore. Fresh c0ckles, Chinese sausages and fish cakes and washing everything down with icy cold Carlsberg; makes you forget Don Mclean …..

TenTigers,

Found 2 articles about Li Gar.

First is Li Gar in Hong Kong. Article talks about Li Pa San being the founder so I supposed must be Cantonese. Interestingly, Li Gar here is described as favoring low stances; not kneeling stance but a low squatting stance.

The other style doing this is probably “Shan Tung San Chao” or “3 Sects of Shan Tung”.

Second article is from Malaysia. A Sifu Chye Kun who taught around the Kuala Lumpur area back in the 70s.

Sifu Chye taught Chye (Choy in Cantonese) Gar, Li Gar and Wu Zhu (5 Ancestors).

According to him, all these are Shaolin arts and no further details were given.

Sifu Chye is Horpor Kek (Hakka).

Regards.

Hi Eric,

Well, if you like wine, fishing or hunting Canada isn’t that bad a place to visit. :slight_smile:

Seriously, “New Martial Hero” is one of the many magazines I collected back in the 70s and 80s. There are others; see links.

Understood, thanks for sharing.

My prized collection, however, are the in-house magazines published by the hundreds of schools/clubs found all over Singapore & Malaysia in the last 30+ years.

Wow, that must be quite a collection!

Sadly, only a fraction of these clubs are left today.

That’s inevidable. We can’t expect to ride on the tail coat of pop culture (ie Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Jet Li, etc) to keep Kung Fu going. This is something I believe that older generation takes for granted.

This kind of in-house magazines is packed with info like history, lineages and principles of the myriad of styles taught in this region.

You know you reminded me of those that Hong Kong Lung Ying association did a long time ago. They were indeed of high quality.

I talked about this in WuLin; when Chinese left the mainland, they resettled all over the world. Robert, are you Canadian born?

I was born in New Terreritories, HK. We live in the same town where the late Chow Fook was. My parents (of landlord and military backgrounds) both came from China.

The majority calls SE Asia home (apart from Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macao). Go to any part of SE Asia like Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines Malaysia and Singapore and you are very likely to bump into sizeable Chinese population.

I remember during late 70s and early 80s. Sifu Chow Fook used to travelled to Brunei (sp?) and areas near there.

Singapore is interesting in this aspect in that the Chinese are the majority race. 70% of the population. We got Chinese from all over mainland here. And along with this, a kaleidoscope of CKF got replanted here.

This is great because this help preserves some of the traditional arts IMHO.

Many Kung Fu school started out in what we call “Clans Association”. So you got the Fukien Association, Kong Chow, Fuzhou and Fuching Association, Horpor Kek Association etc etc…

Actually, the China town in Vancouver, BC, Canada in the early 80s has the same kind of set up. I used to do Lion Dances for the associations during New Year and such celebrations.

Many Sifu also moved on to start their own schools. Unfortunately back in the 60s & 70s, the triads were very active and many of these gangs recruited “fighting hands” from CKF schools.

Hong Kong used to be the same. The CLF in our town was quite large and used to have “associations” with the triads (or so I was told). Then there was the Wing Chun Kwoon which is kind of expensive. I remember that was a Yong Chun Kwoon, on my route home too but I never dared to check it out. This why it took awhile for my mom to choice Sifu Chow Fook’s Kwoon for me. He’s the Ho Ho Sin Sang (very good person).

One of the most notorious was a gang known as “18 Koon Tong” – really blood-thirsty. When these guys fight, they take limbs and lives; anything goes.
“18 Koon Tong” was somewhat related to the Shaolin group in Singapore back in the 70s.

Familiar with “Pai Si” ceremony? Triads’ initiation ceremonies share common rituals and ideas.

Not sure how many of you do this; recite your “pai” poem to identify yourself? A leftover practice from the Ching era I supposed. The Tongs do the same.

Well, there usually are 2 Bai Si in HK (Lung Yi at least). First time as a student, you just bring offering, burn inscents, pour tea, etc. You are just generally accepted as a student and learn the general curriculum. Make sure you paid your tuition on time. lol… Then when you learn up to Lung Ying Mor Kiu (about a good 3 years or so) which is the signature form then you will Bai Si properly and becomes a disciple, which includes taking the oath, bowing and pouring tea to Sifu, host a banquet in Sifu’s honor, etc. Then you become the indoor disciple and learn the inner “secrets” of the style. The process is not cheap.

And they got one that is almost Shaolin that starts with “I arrive here on a Red Junk………” recited in Fukinese.

That’s interesting. Thanks for the info. :slight_smile:

All these gangs and CKF alliances created much social problems and the government stepped in to regulate MA activities.

Every school, teacher and member need to be screened and approved. A special “Martial Arts Control Unit” was created within the CID (Criminal Investigation Branch – we take after the British) to look after this operation.

I remember MACU officers visiting and stopping training to spot check and some of them could be real high-handed

HK has a similar system. But it’s more just for licensing and montoring activities purposes. GM Chiu had a lot of students from police force, fireman, as well as “known” triads members. But we all get along fine if you know what I mean. :wink:

All this could have contributed to the waning of enthusiasm in CKF – I am not sure.

That’s part of the problem but I think not keeping CKF relevant in people’s live and making it viable as a lifestyle is a bigger problem these days.

Personally I think everything went downhill for TCMAs in Singapore when the “Singapore National Pugilistic Federation” got converted into “National WuShu Association”.

Well, don’t even get me started on the Wushu BS.:rolleyes:

“Singapore National Pugilistic Federation” organized the first ever regional traditional Kung Fu competition in 1969 – “1st South East Asia Pugilistic Tournament” with participants from all over this region including Hong Kong & Taiwan.

That event saw the who’s who of Chinese Martial Forest.

Yeah, those were the days, those were the days. .. well, it’s up to this generation now so…

Warm regards

Robert

Hi everybody,

Been getting emails and private messages asking for information/pics for specific styles

Well as much as I would like to oblige, please understand that:-

  1. I am doing this during free time which is getting lesser. I run a full time landscaping business with garden plants and accessories retailing on the side. Lately some friends are getting me involved in the food business; starting a garden café food court here. This calls for tremendous planning and meetings.

  2. My library is in a total absolute mess. I got mags/books lying everywhere. My wife has threatened to use them as recycle paper if I don’t start organizing… Well can’t argue with the wife.

I know I should not be holding back all these materials for my own.

I was talking to Russ Smith, who owns what could be the biggest MA video vault on-line, about putting all my old stuff on-line; probably piggy-backing his current site.

This could take a while but we are going to get it started soon. Just need to figure out the technicalities.

So to those who have written to me for stuff, please be patient. I will deliver – you are the rightful owners of the materials. :cool: :cool: :cool:

Got one more pic here from my old White Crane school in Singapore.

This is a posture from one of our 3 Babulien forms. I do what is commonly known as “old” MingHe in my part of the world. The “old” is to distinguish it from mainland’s which was re-assembled in recent years.

Regards.

Hi Robert and all,

2 individual Mantis styles.

Pic 1 Sun Kik Tong Long. Have not heard about this style for a while.

Pic 2 Liu He Tang Lang. I am paying quite a bit of attention to this particular style of Mantis lately. Mainly because this style is a fusion of Hsing Yi and Mantis.

Pic 3 A inside page of this book published in the early 70s in Taiwan. This technique is almost identical to a MingHe technique found in the form “ErshiBa” or “28” In fact, this Liu He form (I’ve seen it done many years ago) reminds me of my MingHe.

Robert, have you got any old materials of Liu He?

I got a bunch of recent Liu He books and DVDs from mainland and they are really quite worthless for study.

All that unnecessary swirling and twirling only good if you are planning to join an ah-go-go show band

Regards.

Hi Eric

That picture of the Li Pa San Li Gar looks like somethings in Chuka Shaolin Phoenix Eye Fist , such as the stance and the way the hands are positioned . Does the article say anything about the forms of Li Pa Sans Li gar ?
Also do you have any articles or pictures or know anything about this form of Li Gar style that is mentioned in this article it is a Hakka Li Gar the Article is this
History of the Art ( Information Provided by Ben Guai )

        The martial arts style Lijiajiao originated in the areas of Wuhua, Mei county of Guangdong. It is believed that a man named Li Tie-Niu created it. During his years of travelling for trades, he got to know a Shaolin Monk of which he learnt Martial arts from. After years of development, he finally created his own form of Lijiajiao. Over generations of teaching and passing of the art, the are practitioners of this style in the areas of Wuhua, Guangdong , Mei county, Korea, Xingning, Shantau, Puuning among others.

In previous years, Master Chau Fei-Xiong taught this style in Kowloon City. It was noticed that the overall fashion of this art was quite similar to the styles of the Dongjiang Hakka martial arts. Routines are short, moves are simple and direct, many repeated actions in training.

Style’s Characteristics:

This school of martial arts uses Fengyanquan, Jianzhan ( sword palm ) and Jianzhi ( arrow fingers ) as the main hand forms. In practice, it is split into Ying and Yang forms. This includes attack and defence, deflect and strike. Both wrists do not leave the chest framework, fast in attack and retreat, and stamping to increase the strength. The power demands Baufali( explosiveness ), Jieli ( Intercepting power ), Huali (deflective power ), Jiaoli/Wanli ( wrist power ). Body movements demand Jinjen. It is by nature a style which faces the enemy square on.

Specially: Powerful fist strikes, small stance, stable lower body, shouting to increase power.

Known Routines

Empty hand.: Sanbu-chezhuan, Jieshou, Ezhan, Chibu-titzwu
Weapons : Gun, Duanshangdao, Qijiebian.
Set Sparring : Sanbu-duichai
Robert

Hi Eric,

This style is rarely known. I think it’s pretty much only found in Hong Kong. The history is quite interesting in that it claims of a Daoist priest Yuzhou Daoren (Babu Tanglang line have this priest as well). Whether this is another Jiang Hualong’s students’ creation is subject to further investigation.

Pic 2 – Liu He Tang Lang. I am paying quite a bit of attention to this particular style of Mantis lately. Mainly because this style is a fusion of Hsing Yi and Mantis.

Well, Liu He Tang Lang is delicate matter. It’s different thing to different people and it depends on who you talk to. As I don’t study it other than observe it more a little distance, I can only share with you my opinion on it. It is believed that the proper name of the Liu He Tanglang is Liu He Quan Tang Lang Shou. Liu He Tanglangquan is actually a “modern” convention. The style progenitor, Wei San, was a Liu He Quan stylists and he combined Tanglang hands into his Liuhe and got what is known as liuhe Quan Tanglang Shou. What exactly is his Liuhe is yet another issue. Some say it’s Shaolin Liuhe (Liuhe Weito Men). Some say it’s Xinyi Liuhe which is where Xingyi came from (yet another debate here).

Pic 3 – A inside page of this book published in the early 70s in Taiwan. This technique is almost identical to a MingHe technique found in the form “ErshiBa” or “28” In fact, this Liu He form (I’ve seen it done many years ago) reminds me of my MingHe.

Robert, have you got any old materials of Liu He?

No, I wish I have. :frowning: BTW, you know that 6 and 28 are both perfect numbers right?

I got a bunch of recent Liu He books and DVDs from mainland and they are really quite worthless for study.

All that unnecessary swirling and twirling – only good if you are planning to join an ah-go-go show band…

Regards.

I hear you. :slight_smile:

Warm regards

Robert

Hi Robert and Firehawk4,

The Li Gar in that article is more likely to be Cantonese than Hakka.

The article mentioned Hong, Lau, Choy, Li and Mok Gar and linking this featured Li Gar. So unless, someone can tell me different, I associate these 5 as Canton-centered arts.

Also Li Pa San, according to popular folklore, was a compatriot of Hong Si Kuan, the acknowledged founder of Hong Gar. Both were lay disciples of Nam Siu Lam caught up with fighting the Ching.

Like I said, the interesting thing is their low stance. This is something that you would normally associate with some Fukien styles. Imagine a smaller 4 level horse stance with a lower sink.

I will post this stance taken from Shantung San Chao or 3 sects of Shantung to illustrate.

In most Hakka styles like Pai Mei, Lung Yi and SPM, the de facto stance is the hourglass or San Chiem stance. Done in various manners but more or less maintaining the same intent.

Robert, I am aware that they are splits in the LHTL circle.

Liu He Weito is typical Chang Quan like say, Bei Shaolin. When I was a kid, my dad actually sent me to a Sifu to learn Weito Men. This Sifu, a VERY CANTANKEROUS, Shanghainese was from the Nanjing Central Wushu Institute. I called him Lien Siok or Uncle Lien. He ran a club in Singapore called Chi Lu a collective club for Northern styles like Bei Shaolin, 7 Stars PM and Tam Tui Men.

Well, maybe Bei Quan is not my thing because I did not stay long. But I did taste some Weito.

In my limited ways, I really cannot see the Weito in LHTL.

This I do know, mainland is rewriting histories of many CKF to regain their status as birthplace of traditional arts.

Especially in cases when the styles are completely terminated there for one reason or another but primarily due to the cultural revolution.

Not too long ago, I was having dinner with a group of senior TCMA Masters of various styles here. (hahaha at 47, I am the baby of the group).

One of them, a senior Crane teacher, said this China is the world biggest counterfeiter of all sort of products. We get Rolex, Gucci, Nike, and you name it fakes from mainland. What makes you think they are not counterfeiting TCMA that are no longer in existence there? Now that TCMA is a highly marketable commodity, the returns are really very attractive and since CKF is Chinese no one would question authenticity.

Personally I think this view holds a lot of truth.

I go back to Singapore occasionally and one of my must stops is a bookshop downtown.

Here you find, literally, hundreds of DVDs and books from mainland. I think this shop is mainland Chinese owned.

I usually skip the Modern Wushu and head straight to the Traditional Kung Fu section.

Frankly, not much difference between the 2.

Like some observations made in the other threads in this forum, mainland Traditional Kung Fu is usually flashy suggesting intent other than fighting.

Still, I buy them, maybe to support these mainland Masters.

But I usually chuck them aside after one or two viewings.

Like one of my good friends here would say; a lot of forms but very little substance.

Someone in the Wulin forum had this as his signature; I will not be the generation that kill Chinese Kung Fu.

My sentiment (like yours maybe) is; Kung Fu must not be all postures. Kung Fu is about fights.

And this is how I was taught and this is how I intent to teach.

Sorry for the rambling; just need to get this off my chest.

Regards.

Okay, a little time before I go build another garden.

Pic 1: This is the Shantung San Chiao or 3 Sects of Shantung I mentioned earlier. Created by a monk, this style is a combo of Luo Fo Chiao, Shantung Chiao and Tun To Men. These are styles that are really seldom seen. I have only seen Tun To Men once or twice. The other 2; only read about them, no visual. Notice the really low stance shown. STSC is also famed for their palm skills.

Pic 2: Pak Mei in HK in the 70s.

Pic 3: One of my books on Northern Style. We got Application of Si Yue Hua Quan here. Imho, this is one style close to LiuHe Weito talked about earlier.

Pic 4 Robert, this Sifu is from your style of PM? Are you guys related? The elbow technique shown here is something I do all the times in Fuzhou Ancestral Crane. In White Crane, long-limb crane refers to extended hand techniques. Short-limb refers to, more often than not, the elbow.

Pic 5 - Robert, since youre from NT, I thought you might like this. According to article, NT is a real Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon place.

So which are you? The tiger or the dragon?

More like the Praying Mantis hahahaha.. okay back to work before the wife unleashes the 5 animals onto me. (2 dogs and 3 cats).