[QUOTE=T.D.O;839600]just ment for the info…;)[/QUOTE]You’re welcome.
[QUOTE=T.D.O;839600]LT108: 
still seems to be a few problems tho lol[/QUOTE]
Are you referring to the ‘one family’? I don’t know and sometimes don’t even understand!! The Seni comp is still in it’s development stages I believe.
I do think some seem to ‘want’ a united Family, as long as their Sifu is seen as the Head! Funny really, as in the UK there has never really been a ‘head’ of sorts.
Will we all ever be able to work it out? Great ideal, but still needs to be seen to be believed imho…
What would the function of ‘united’ family be? Most orgs. have their own curriculum and expression of Wing Chun - you’re not going to get technical standardisation.
I’d say just get more organised events, more sharing of training ideas, raise the quality level, open people’s eyes to other ways of doing things.
[QUOTE=CFT;839947]What would the function of ‘united’ family be? Most orgs. have their own curriculum and expression of Wing Chun - you’re not going to get technical standardisation.
I’d say just get more organised events, more sharing of training ideas, raise the quality level, open people’s eyes to other ways of doing things.[/QUOTE]
I’m all up for sharing ideas and having joint seminars, but why wouldn’t the curriculum be the same? I was under the impression that most Sifu from Ip Man had a set curriculum given to teach, and an order of progression.
I’m still trying to get it into my head that people teach in English I suppose! As I also do, ofcourse, but with a Chinese foundation at it’s core.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;839950]I’m all up for sharing ideas and having joint seminars, but why wouldn’t the curriculum be the same? I was under the impression that most Sifu from Ip Man had a set curriculum given to teach, and an order of progression.[/QUOTE]Well, does your sifu have the same curriculum as your martial uncle Austin Goh? Even your curriculum is different to your sifu’s isn’t it? And that is in one family.
[QUOTE=CFT;839954]Well, does your sifu have the same curriculum as your martial uncle Austin Goh? Even your curriculum is different to your sifu’s isn’t it? And that is in one family.[/QUOTE]
What I was trying to highlight is that it shouldn’t be too hard to agree with content and structure of a set curriculum that ‘Ip Man provided’. He did provide one right? I’m only going by what I’ve seen and yet to verify.
Only after Ip Man passed away did Lee Shing start to teach his own art which he tweaked for each individual. This is why my Uncles all have different interpretations, but the earlier generations will be familiar with a general curriculum.
It becomes ever so hard to link people together when we start using English/Cantonese variants. Surely it would make sense for any Chinese Martial Art to have a curriculum in Chinese?
Unless the western world has already westernized the ultimate family style…
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;839942]Are you referring to the ‘one family’? I don’t know and sometimes don’t even understand!! The Seni comp is still in it’s development stages I believe.
I do think some seem to ‘want’ a united Family, as long as their Sifu is seen as the Head! Funny really, as in the UK there has never really been a ‘head’ of sorts.
Will we all ever be able to work it out? Great ideal, but still needs to be seen to be believed imho…[/QUOTE]
Aye, seems hard to people to share there views, on the chance that they may get shot down by other families
but i’ve only been on here a short while… so i might be wrong :rolleyes:
Only after Ip Man passed away did Lee Shing start to teach his own art which he tweaked for each individual.
ip man taught each individual different… when i was reading the last issue of WCmagazine it said that ip man taught one of his students a kicking dummy form
and i’ve never heard of this before??
[QUOTE=T.D.O;839984]ip man taught each individual different… when i was reading the last issue of WCmagazine it said that ip man taught one of his students a kicking dummy form
and i’ve never heard of this before??[/QUOTE]
I tend to have relied so much on what others have said these days, and I hear new things all the time! :rolleyes:
I know of Uncle Gohs kicking form, but it wasn’t something I experienced at Jun Mo, although we did train Mui Fa (Mook) Jong which could be considered a type of kicking form/set but there is handwork too. I remember my Sije’s (Sisters) practising quite a lot of legwork and they could’ve kicked most people across the room including me!! :o
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;839967]What I was trying to highlight is that it shouldn’t be too hard to agree with content and structure of a set curriculum that ‘Ip Man provided’. He did provide one right? I’m only going by what I’ve seen and yet to verify.
Only after Ip Man passed away did Lee Shing start to teach his own art which he tweaked for each individual. This is why my Uncles all have different interpretations, but the earlier generations will be familiar with a general curriculum.
It becomes ever so hard to link people together when we start using English/Cantonese variants. Surely it would make sense for any Chinese Martial Art to have a curriculum in Chinese?
Unless the western world has already westernized the ultimate family style…[/QUOTE]
According to the four people I know that studied with YM there was no structured curriculum. Classes were more free and YM taught different people different things. That’s why it would be good for WC people to get together.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;840111]According to the four people I know that studied with YM there was no structured curriculum. Classes were more free and YM taught different people different things. That’s why it would be good for WC people to get together.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that Ip Man taught some students Biu Jee before Siu Lim Tao Phil?
I’ve always thought that it was Ip Man who put structure into Wing Chun. I know he taught on an individual basis and honed different things for different students, but this is so hard to do without a foundation knowledge and I thought he must’ve had some curriculum written down somewhere! Maybe I’m totally wrong. :o
It’s always been said that Wing Chun is an easy style to learn but very hard to master. This says to me that at it’s core the curriculum should be at its most basic, a minimum standard if you like. Forms, Chisau, Wooden Dummy, Pole & Knife sets, in that order of learning, all very, very basic yet informative images.
How we all develop that foundation is completely free from restraints imho and where much of the confusion is found. This is why training together should always be considered. We can all learn from eachother, and I speak from only a short experience in this forum.
I’ve learned many things from many people here, and my arms itch so much I just want to fly all over the world to meet everyone and train! Then again, I am a lil bit wierd and not very wealthy so my chances are slim! :eek:
Hello All,
Well as an update, I sent several emails to those who I have found on the internet, about 15 in total.. To my surprise no returns…Well that is not all true. I spoke to Redmond Sifu on the phone and enjoyed our conversation. (verda cono). I found Redmond Sifu to be informative and open to conversation. He has told me of his specific interest in making this gathering a reality. I will continue to communicate with Redmond Sifu as this matures.
I can see the constand communication between all of you so I can see that there is an interest in coming together. Please forward me you emails so that I can speak to each of you individualy.
I was in law enforcement for 10+ years and I know that making the gathering happen is like a dealing with union people. Together we all want something but it is always the same handful of people getting it done. So where is my handful of people I ask you.
All the best and keep training…
[QUOTE=El Zorro 71;840128]Hello All,
Well as an update, I sent several emails to those who I have found on the internet, about 15 in total.. To my surprise no returns…Well that is not all true. I spoke to Redmond Sifu on the phone and enjoyed our conversation. (verda cono). I found Redmond Sifu to be informative and open to conversation. He has told me of his specific interest in making this gathering a reality. I will continue to communicate with Redmond Sifu as this matures.
I can see the constand communication between all of you so I can see that there is an interest in coming together. Please forward me you emails so that I can speak to each of you individualy.
I was in law enforcement for 10+ years and I know that making the gathering happen is like a dealing with union people. Together we all want something but it is always the same handful of people getting it done. So where is my handful of people I ask you.
All the best and keep training…[/QUOTE]
Well you know I’m interested. Wing Chun is what I do full time so I must love it.
I’d be willing to make the trip if there are no conflicts in the date. Look forward to meeting Phil again if he remembers me 
Regards,
Alan
I’ve always thought that it was Ip Man who put structure into Wing Chun. I know he taught on an individual basis and honed different things for different students, but this is so hard to do without a foundation knowledge and I thought he must’ve had some curriculum written down somewhere! Maybe I’m totally wrong.
from yip chuns book:
although yip man did not have an official education in teacher training, he realised the importance of a syllabus in a progressive teaching method during the learning process of a student
and it say’s that he seldom taught biu jee… but that’s way off the point of this topic
i think the difference was more to do with size, weight and ability
when some one in my class asked my sigung if wing chun was more suited to smaller people he said that bigger people don’t need to turn as much… which made me think of ip man’s differences… but most of this is guess… but seems like a point to me:rolleyes:
any way bring on the next WC day 
We really need to have this gathering. I mean really . . .
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;840795]We really need to have this gathering. I mean really . . . :D[/QUOTE]
I totally agree.
Hello to all,
I have had 3 other confimations so it is all moving forward. Redmond Sifu, I plan on the trip to your area with my family possibly in April. I would like to coordinate so possible we could meet?
The following is a joke!!! Let me say that before any part of it is taken out of context…
After reading and following the HFY threads I firmly believe that once we have the gathering we would have set the ground work for getting the Palestinians and Isrealits to finally have peace…because besides them its the wing chunners who argue the most!!!
So if we do this we will bring world peace. Seem like Wing chunner would argue about a tan sau if they had the time. It’s a good thing god gave us all five fingers cause can you imagine the structual possiblities if some of us had 6 fingers…lol…
[QUOTE=El Zorro 71;841082]Hello to all,
I have had 3 other confimations so it is all moving forward. Redmond Sifu, I plan on the trip to your area with my family possibly in April. I would like to coordinate so possible we could meet?[/QUOTE]
Give me a call. We’re very open at our school. We have friends who do White Crane, Ba Gua, Japanese Jiijitsu, BJJ, Judo, TKD, Karate, Arnis, Boxing, Mantis, other WC lineages (I could go on), that either visit or train at the school with no egos. They all have things to contribute. Keith Mazza had a rep of being very open in the S. Jersey, Philliy area. We even let that WC guy named Dave McKnight come to our school a few times . . . .lol
Phil
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;841225] We even let that WC guy named Dave McKnight come to our school a few times . . . .lol
Phil[/QUOTE]
That was until they realized I really don’t know Wing Chun having learned from books, videos and the channeled spirits of past masters Once they saw I was no good they booted me out and I had to move away from Philly :o
[QUOTE=Sihing73;841231]That was until they realized I really don’t know Wing Chun having learned from books, videos and the channeled spirits of past masters Once they saw I was no good they booted me out and I had to move away from Philly :o[/QUOTE]
You’re too funny Dave . . . lol
I saw your WC. You didn’t learn from a book dude.