How do you like discussing techniques or applications with members of other lineages?..
I feel that the big Wing Chun family is more utopia than reality most of the times.Or is it simply trouble in the family?
How is it that it is so hard to accept different ways or interpretations by other lineages? I feel Wing Chun ,like many other arts, is deep enough to allow variations and different point of view.We could argue on the benefits of 50/50 or 100/0 or whatever percentage in between stances for eternity and never convince anybody that one way is better than the other.They both have a different feel and usage and both are effectives if you use it rightâŚNow what about forms differencies,punching techniques,reactives or more aggressives motions,lines theoriesâŚTrapping (yeech!)âŚI mean,you dont like the way others do something.Think about it: If your steps would have brought you to that other lineage instead of yourâs, you would be liking it now! You would be making the best out of it like you are making the best out of what you are doing now!..Maybe you would even be dissing what you are actually consedering gospel right now! Maybe it is time to grow up a little bit.We all share common things.
Good Idea!
I agree with you old jong, there is no real reason to fight, I think alot o ftimes it is just ego that draws us into it. Look at all the big battles that go on, like the one recently with Emin Boztepe and his clan. Its all about ego.
I have learned from three different lineages, and finally settled into one that I like. The other two werenât bad, by any means, but this is the one that seems to fit me the best.
I look to the future, when I reach a sufficient level to start exploring my art, then I will probably start by looking at other lineages and what they have to offer.
There is a wing chun family?
Will someone show me the way?
Is it towards San Jose?
Yes Uncle(Si-Bak) Joy!
But it is not a very united one!
family
Hey YuanFen! I think there should be a family! Why cant we all just get along! >:)
Really though, the school I was at first, then yours YuanFen, and now the one I am at now, has taught me one important thing, that alot of the differences in each lineage are generally just opinion. Someone came along and decided that WC would work better if a little tweak was placed here or there and went with it. I dont view this as wrong either.
For example, in the first school I went to, there were a lot of toughening and strengthening excescises. In your school Yuan Fen, I noticed the stance was more relaxed and less forced. In my class now, and hopefully my last! Our stance is lower, and we dont do a whole lot of strength training but they have added some chikung stuff to warm up with. Otherwise, in the Sil Lim Tao, a few slight changes here and there, but so far nothing so major that I can see making a drastic change in the fundamentals.
âif you donât practice my style, your style isnât Wing ChunââŚ
will that can be true, if you are tweaking the wing chun you should stay within the principal, like
economy of motion, fastest way is a straight line, **** like that.
So if someone is tweaking their wing chun and starts to do wide circle movements instead of just the smaller movement,
He is not using the wing chun princpals , which means its WRONG/ not wing chun.
I doubt if this family will ever work because there is a lack of common agreement on what will work best. As for me, if you can show me that your technique is simple, efficient, and direct for the situation that you are in. You are doing WC. WC is a principle based art, if you argue too much about certain way of doing things it just show you still doing the art too mechanically. It really is a feeling art and that is why it is so awesome!
I think most lineage are working within the principles of Wing Chun.A few ones are maybe on the eccentric side a little and maybe more are too rigid,almost in an integrist way!..Does this means that they are no good?
Just look at boxing for example and see the various âstylesâ boxers adopt.It is always called boxing.
The principles are there and they allow some warping before breaking.How much?..Is the question.
how much?
It would seem to me that as long as you are sticing to the tenents of WC you are probably still practicing WC.
how much
Why do we have Biu Jee? To be free to do whatever you want to win or escape with little loss.
Today many are fighting a fight that began in the 1950âs.The jealousy and egosâ that existed between Yip Mans first students and later students combined with Yip Manâs teaching methods have gotten WC where it is today.To many think that only they were Yip Mans favorite and he only gave all his secrets to them.Then their students forget that their Sifu was once 18 and foolish and treat him as infallible.
The problems have been enlarged by many who began teaching WC outside of Hong Kong before they knew the whole system .They invented or enhanced certain forms or techniques then when more knowledgeable peaple arrived made excuses rather than admit errors.
Combine this with the egos, and jealousy on the mainland and yo
u end up with what we have today.
Oh yes cant forget that many are fighting over the money to be made being a WC master.Yip Chunâs removal of Smuel Kwok from his association is a prime example of the ridiculous behavior that potential lost future revenue brings on.Leung Ting Boztepe is another recent example.
Hunt1,
Can you give specific make-up or add-on stuffs of later students to fill up the knowledge gap that you see or know? It would be instructive.
O.J.
Why donât you start a fellowship up in Canada? This way you can (hopefully) get a chance to discuss applications and techniques with members of different lineages. Or at least get a good game of Hockey going!
Originally posted by yuanfen
[B]There is a wing chun family?
Will someone show me the way?
Is it towards San Jose? [/B]
LMAOâŚ
Joy, are you my long lost brother?
I imagine it is impossible for some to even think about it without getting ironic!..Itâs your way.
Vu N
Sorry but it wouldnt help anything and only cause worthless posts.Many of those who have âenhancedâ âadded to because the basic froms missed somethingâ etc have allready been âoutedâ as it were a long time ago.
He aint heavy- he is my brother.
Mickey Rooney in Boyâs town!!!
So we are a family!
We are a family after all! ! !
A few days back someone said: âSorry!â to Whipping Hand; yesterday Whipping Hand embraced Old Jong as his brother⌠Iâm just waiting for Ralek to confess heâs actually a she, and she and Whipping Hand are to marry.
By the by, did I tell you Iâm WHâs mother. Time to organise a family reunion. Turkey and Wu Sau Christmas day.
Now, if only we could invite the BJJ family members over, the world would be a happy place.
black and blue
Originally posted by black and blue
By the by, did I tell you Iâm WHâs mother.
Mama, where did I go wrong?
Well, looks like wing chun will always be fragmented into clans like many other arts. The question was :Is it possible to have some reasonable dialogue between different clans without the usual dissing and âItâs not Wing Chunâ appreciation? Can people doing the same art after all put aside this pueril tribal instinct and grow past politics that are always based on commercial reasons?
Looks like it is a difficult matter.But I like the fact that guys like Rene Ritchie and others are working to build some comprehension and dialogue in the Wing Chun community with things like the frienship seminar in particular.
I know some of you agree on this.
BTW, I think the âignore listâ function is a very nice feature.It allows me to be spared from useless and unwanted answers.