For me, you just saw them. Magic pants guy did fine. Had solid footing and good defense/offense. What more do you want, tassels?
In addition, those that say so and so kung fu is “kickboxing” obviously knows little…
…about kickboxing.
Magic pants was not following kickboxing stratagem.
[QUOTE=Lebaufist;1134932]For me, you just saw them. Magic pants guy did fine. Had solid footing and good defense/offense. What more do you want, tassels?
The issue is, what made THAT “kung fu”?
And tassels would have just made awesome even more awesome.
Kung fu doesn’t fight anyone, people fight. Using what they conditioned themselves to do.
If he has a solid footing and delivers a blow to an opening either created or found, What else would one need to see? If he uses a defense other than “turtle and brace for impact” you might actually have a kung fu fighter on your hands instead of a Pure Kickboxer®™© .
Kung fu doesn’t fight anyone, people fight. Using what they conditioned themselves to do.
that seems to be the most AVOIDED notion throughout this whole forum. I agree.
A better question is why are so called kung fu people looking for such over complexity in a fight?
If I avoid a strike and do a simple punch to the face and end it there, how is that NOT to my kung fu training’s credit?
This is a video of me working the bag working exclusively on Kung Fu techniques:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y37Pj5MGxrw
This is a video of me working the bag doing exclusively Kickboxing techniques:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y37Pj5MGxrw
Please note the major differences so that we can move past this Kung Fu/Kickboxing mumbo jumbo and talk about something really important, like True2form.
LoL!!!..
A better question is why are so called kung fu people looking for such over complexity in a fight?
Its because they don’t fight. The ones that don’t fight don’t realize that the way we use techniques in actual fighting is far different than what we do in forms. many people are too robotic and rely on the system working for them without them actually making it work. if you train enough you can make most things work. it just has to be modified a little. but my sifu always told us to keep it simple.
If I avoid a strike and do a simple punch to the face and end it there, how is that NOT to my kung fu training’s credit?
in my book it is.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1134942]that seems to be the most AVOIDED notion throughout this whole forum. I agree.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much.
Whenever I see someone fighting full contact I expect to see this:
Speed, focus, good footwork, angles, combinations ( in various forms of course).
That is good kung fu.
When people see videos and see “that’s just kickboxing”, I can usually tell that they have no notion WHY full contact fighting tends to look a certain way REGARDLESS of what style is trained.
It doesn’t change the fact that:
The sport combat crowd will say don’t see much of a difference between that and KB"
The “authentic kung fu” crowd will say," That’s just kickboxing and not authentic TCMA"
They are BOTH right, the difference is that the authentic kung fu crowd seem to regard “kickboxing” as an insult instead of the compliment that it truly is.
“kick boxing” is what a fighter does when he kicks and strikes at his most natural, when he is under pressure.
How well he does it depends on how good he is of course.
in my book it is.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I’ll go one further and say the modifications are really just the on the fly adjustments one MUST make in a chaotic and abstract situation. Such as the unpredictable angles, forces, and reactions of your opponent that tend to smear the picture perfect ideal of a form. In which case even the Pure Kickboxer®© isn’t immune. Otherwise all his fighting would look like the picture perfect form of his shadowboxing and padwork.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W1ym3yggR4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S19VsB7__v0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0CIy9ZZEQE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrZM6JlkjFs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMJ_b9uV1Lo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjm5-lcHH5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWvdkgl3h_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twEAjkkafn8
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1134948]Pthe difference is that the authentic kung fu crowd seem to regard “kickboxing” as an insult instead of the compliment that it truly is.
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This is actually a de-evolution of the ideal. When I first came into contact with this notion by my teacher, it wasn’t to contrast kung fu from kickboxing. It was to contrast sloppy fighting from clean.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1134888]So, out of curiosity, do we have ANY videos of full contact fighting that DOESN’T look like “kick boxing” ??[/QUOTE]
Because of the rules… most all “SPORT” martial art fighting is going to look like kickboxing.
The nature of sport fighting is to club your opponent with jabs, cross, round kick, Shuai Jiao etc. until they go down. All this ends up looking like kickboxing no matter what style you are doing. The human body only does so many maneuvers and counters to these basic strikes.
ginosifu
[QUOTE=Lebaufist;1134954]This is actually a de-evolution of the ideal. When I first came into contact with this notion by my teacher, it wasn’t to contrast kung fu from kickboxing. It was to contrast sloppy fighting from clean.[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you mean…
[QUOTE=ginosifu;1134955]Because of the rules… most all “SPORT” martial art fighting is going to look like kickboxing.
The nature of sport fighting is to club your opponent with jabs, cross, round kick, Shuai Jiao etc. until they go down. All this ends up looking like kickboxing no matter what style you are doing. The human body only does so many maneuvers and counters to these basic strikes.
ginosifu[/QUOTE]
Quite correct.
The ruleset tends to dictate the look of a match, that is why a MMA match that is mostly striking will still look different enough from a MT match.
[QUOTE=pateticorecords;1134950]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYOUaUJ9P38 :)[/QUOTE]
There is nothing more cheap than Sanda rules where a crap load of points are awarded for someone bull charging and pushing you out of the ring!! Complete garbage.:rolleyes:
I know what you mean
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1134957]Quite correct.
The ruleset tends to dictate the look of a match, that is why a MMA match that is mostly striking will still look different enough from a MT match.[/QUOTE]
Heck, I dare say that MMA striking is beginning to look like kung fu with all the striking thats showing up from a lower and wider foot position.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1134956]Not sure what you mean…[/QUOTE]Meaning that a lot of kickboxing at the time (Long time ago)looked wild and uncontrolled.
