[QUOTE=Robinhood;1169988]I think you watch to many kung fu movies.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
What does “watching movie” have to do with the questions that I asked? 
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Youknowwho,
All the moves you mentioned in your post are lethal. If killing the opponent is not your goal of finish the fight, disable his limbs is a good strategy. We can use strike or joint dislocate techniques in carrying it out.
Yours truly,
KC
Hong Kong
[QUOTE=SteveLau;1170021]If killing the opponent is not your goal of finish the fight, …[/QUOTE]
I think to use sword to cut off someone’s head (draw blood) is more violent than to smash someone’s head to the ground (don’t draw blood). 
[QUOTE=-N-;1169966]Stab him in the neck with a knife.[/QUOTE]
It’s included.
Worth Quoting
[QUOTE=mickey;1169982]Greetings,
I think the question is whether it is a good thing to train finishing techniques. Yes, it is. In MMA, those bars become breaks, the submissions become strangulations. It simply comes down to the mindset of the individual in training. The problem with teaching people how to “go there” has more to do with the law. If you took the time to finish off your opponent, you had time to get away. xxx years, no parole. So what if you are a good guy with no priors. Wait, you are a white belt? That sounds like a MASTER to me.
mickey[/QUOTE]
Quoted for truth. The fact is you’re walking a thin and dangerous line legally as soon as you start training “finishing” moves unless you get a concealed and carry permit and move to Florida.
In Florida - you can start fight, get your arse handed to you, and then shoot the guy in retaliation and all’s good.
- Leave the scene
On the street, once the guy is down or incapacitated, it’s time to leave the scene.
if you are in any venue of competition
you define the win and lose
by points
by KO
by throw
by leaving the platform or lei tai
–
then you come up with strategy to win under the rule sets specified.
if you are in a street fight
you may use tool or defensive weapon
or you may always out run the attackers
you dodge and cover
you run
when you are safe, and you win
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1170038]- Leave the scene…[/QUOTE]
When you teach a course for FBI, CIA, secret service, anti-terrorism group, … “leave the scene” won’t be one of your options. That was why the “Combat” SC system was evolved with “follow on striking” when David C. K. Lin taught Sionics, a prestigious Georgia-based Anti-terrorism school back in 1980.
You can’t just tell a president’s bodyguard to “leave the scene” when the president is under attacked.
Head stomping ( along with GnP) was very popular in the old Vale Tudo ( the GnP still is of course but head stomping has been ruled out).
Personally, if HE is down and STILL a threat, I would go for the low line kick, perhaps stomp.
There are a few “coup de grace” that I have picked up over the years, but not sure if I will use them ( I certainly hope not).
[QUOTE=SPJ;1170044]you define the win and lose by throw …[/QUOTE]
When David C. K. Lin used “sport” mindset to teach his class in Sionics back in 1980, he found out that won’t work for his audience, he had to change it. Talking about Wude won’t help either.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1170116]Head stomping ( along with GnP) was very popular in the old Vale Tudo ( the GnP still is of course but head stomping has been ruled out).
Personally, if HE is down and STILL a threat, I would go for the low line kick, perhaps stomp.
There are a few “coup de grace” that I have picked up over the years, but not sure if I will use them ( I certainly hope not).[/QUOTE]
If you are 007 and have liense to kill that will be a different story.
There are many different levels of combat:
- tournament sport,
- friendly challenge,
- unfriendly challenge,
- street fight,
- kill.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1170119]If you are 007 and have license to kill that will be a different story.[/QUOTE]
I’m not and never will be, BUT I know what you mean.
Being former military I know the mindset and those spec ops and black ops guys even more so.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1170027]It’s included.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5HaTULgf3g[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1170026]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJvITkMSOB4[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1131199]In the north part of China, the dagger is hidden in your boots. After you have taken your opponent down, you pull it out of your boots and then stab into your opponent’s heart.
Dagger in the ancient time was not used for standup fighting. It was too short compare to spear, staff, knife, and sword. You just don’t pull your dagger out when your opponent’s spear head is right in front of your chest. Chinese dagger was mainly used for “ground game”. It was integrated perfectly with the Chinese throwing art.
The day that people no longer use spear, staff, … the day that people start to hold dagger like to hold a sword.[/QUOTE]
If we are talking about finish, then avoid etc. is not an option.
In that case, there’s nothing wrong with the traditional solution.
So your dog kept bringing you the knife, but you didn’t use it
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1170114]When you teach a course for FBI, CIA, secret service, anti-terrorism group, … “leave the scene” won’t be one of your options. That was why the “Combat” SC system was evolved with “follow on striking” when David C. K. Lin taught Sionics, a prestigious Georgia-based Anti-terrorism school back in 1980.
You can’t just tell a president’s bodyguard to “leave the scene” when the president is under attacked. :D[/QUOTE]
If you are working at that level, a few wrist locks and a punch upside the head isn’t exactly valuable information. You want to overwhelm, constrain and retain. This is 2012, so, choke outs, tazers, batons and even guns are what is required when we are talking about those organizations.
They are far better equipped on pretty much every level compared to an average guy. Who if skilled and comes to the point where he has made his attacker quiesce then, “leave the scene” is the way to go. I don’t think teaching boxing or wrestling or take down skills is relevant to those organizations if they have all the equipment they need to incapacitate someone without ever touching them physically. What needs to be taught to these guys is how to be quickly aware of the surroundings and what’s in it. How to get your weapon out calmly without fumbling. How to use your weapon safely, how to extract and use your weapon in a seconds count scenario or several of these and so on.
come alongs and pain compliance are not very useful on drugged out folks, but you can shut off their nervous system temporarily with a couple of tazes.
One guy I know that works for CSIS loves his “force multipliers”.
He got some custom designed “knuckles” and man do those babies work.
there are styles that excel in how to recover from ends or lost fights
such as secret gate mantis,
once you know and practice your end moves.
but remember also practice how to recover from your finish or end moves.
such is the nature of fighting. shield vs spear
or mao and dun.
