Is it possible to disable a fight by attacking vital parts with precise pin point accuracy.
Keeping in mind that your opponent is constantly moving like a boxer, could you attack the wrists with Dragon Fists with pinpoint accuracy? I would think that after 3 or 4 hits to said vital parts, it could be detrimental and painful to the opponent and give up the fight?
Just wondering if it’s feasible?
Please, serious question here!!
[QUOTE=Cdr.Instigator;1113887]Is it possible to disable a fight by attacking vital parts with precise pin point accuracy.
Keeping in mind that your opponent is constantly moving like a boxer, could you attack the wrists with Dragon Fists with pinpoint accuracy? I would think that after 3 or 4 hits to said vital parts, it could be detrimental and painful to the opponent and give up the fight?
Just wondering if it’s feasible?
Please, serious question here!![/QUOTE]
no its not 
[QUOTE=Frost;1113895]no its not :)[/QUOTE]
why not? not everyone is a trained cage fighter and pain compliance comes quick with a greater portion of the population.
so, yes.
But, if you gotta ask, then for you, no. lol
Yes David, as I have no training in Kung Fu… then you are right; I would not succeed.
But, is there an actual training form that attacks such possible vulnerable areas, as the wrists?
Could you David, even with as much years of experience not try and develop such a strategy?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1113900]why not? not everyone is a trained cage fighter and pain compliance comes quick with a greater portion of the population.
so, yes.
But, if you gotta ask, then for you, no. lol[/QUOTE]
Why not?
Well
[QUOTE=Frost;1113914]Why not?
Well
If we are talking about strictly attacking the wrists. I believe that is folly to attempt to hit at someones wrists who is boxing you.
The strikes at the wrist in kung fu styles tend to be for when someone has grabbed your sleeve or something.
Anyway, why hit the wrists? Hit the face, hunt the head. that’s where you’re gonna be effective in a fight.
Well the fighter’s instincts to counter a hook to the head is to block it with your arm or hand… therefore it would seem feasible to hit wrist as a counter to the attack.
How is it not feasible to use your opponents swing momentum and power to instead of blocking, hit the wrist area with a Dragon Style fist and put some hurt to that weak area?
Possibly ending the fight with a painful wrist fracture?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1113922]If we are talking about strictly attacking the wrists. I believe that is folly to attempt to hit at someones wrists who is boxing you.
The strikes at the wrist in kung fu styles tend to be for when someone has grabbed your sleeve or something.
Anyway, why hit the wrists? Hit the face, hunt the head. that’s where you’re gonna be effective in a fight.[/QUOTE]
no arguement from me but the original quote said "Keeping in mind that your opponent is constantly moving like a boxer, could you attack the wrists with Dragon Fists with pinpoint accuracy? I would think that after 3 or 4 hits to said vital parts, it could be detrimental and painful to the opponent and give up the fight?
Just wondering if it’s feasible?
Please, serious question here!!"
personally hitting wrists, arms, specific points on the body unless gross large targets is a waste of time, sounds like we agree
Vital point striking is, basically, a “sniper analogy”:
Aim small, miss small
Aim big, miss big.
In layman terms:
Aim for the head, miss the head.
Aim for the side of the head, hit the head
Aim for the jaw, hit the side of the head.
Aim for a spot on the jaw, hit the jaw.
All striking arts aim for vital points, the thing is that you want to aim and hit the ones that work all the time and on everyone and those are the typical ones that everyone knows.
Sure there are some nice ones that work really well as “coup de grace” by why use them when you don’t need them?
As for pain compliant ones, well…you are putting your trust on something that you don’t know and that is the pain threshold of your opponent, not a wise move IMO.
The wrist is usually only a vital point if you have a blade or a heavy stick.
The area where the Pectoralis Major and Pectoralis Minor meet below the clavicle towards the shoulder joint tends to be effective in debilitating the arms (the same principle can be applied when grappling/wrestling) and doesn’t require pin point accuracy… other wise go for the knees and ankles;)
All striking arts aim for vital points, the thing is that you want to aim and hit the ones that work all the time and on everyone and those are the typical ones that everyone knows.
I agree, due to movement precision strikes are less likely to be accomplished. well, at least to areas like the wrist, the eye, etc. etc. If it does indeed happen most of the time its by luck. but instead of a PRECISION STRIKE maybe a nice hefty blocking/strike to the area will do the job
Hard blocks are already hits to the limb. Certainly easier not to miss with the forearm, than the fist…
If you can catch first, or if they catch you, then do the block/strike, it can become a break.
I’d say the kind of technique you’re asking about is for high skill level only…also need to have well conditioned knuckles. Sometimes shaolin styles will use a fist, to stop a kick…but there is an assumption there that one has done serious fist conditioning; it’s not a beginner tactic.
(But against a boxer? Attack the ankles and knees, not the wrist and elbow, I’d think.)
[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1113952]The wrist is usually only a vital point if you have a blade or a heavy stick.[/QUOTE]
So, if someone threw a right or left hook to your head…one could not respond with your own hook with said “Dragon Fist” to that hand’s wrist?
I find it hard to believe that with the correct instinct and training of such theoretical tactic would not work. If you hit same area on wrist, one could possibly win the fight if the opponents wrist are hurt.. No?
Maybe I’m just thinking way off base here, sorry!
[QUOTE=Cdr.Instigator;1113968]So, if someone threw a right or left hook to your head…one could not respond with your own hook with said “Dragon Fist” to that hand’s wrist?
I find it hard to believe that with the correct instinct and training of such theoretical tactic would not work. If you hit same area on wrist, one could possibly win the fight if the opponents wrist are hurt.. No?
Maybe I’m just thinking way off base here, sorry![/QUOTE]
When you are dealing with an ideal attack, even then it is a long shot.
Attacks are never ideal from the POV of the defender.
Regardless of how will “trained’” you reflexes are, gross motor skill is always quicker and more instinctive than fin motor skills.
Add to that the adrenaline of a fight, of having to REACT to the strike ( being a step behind) and add to that it must work “perfectly” or you head is gonna get knocked off.
All that equals the one tried and true principle that is uniform to every form of H2H combat:
Basics ruler - Keep it simple
[QUOTE=Cdr.Instigator;1113968]So, if someone threw a right or left hook to your head…one could not respond with your own hook with said “Dragon Fist” to that hand’s wrist?
I find it hard to believe that with the correct instinct and training of such theoretical tactic would not work. If you hit same area on wrist, one could possibly win the fight if the opponents wrist are hurt.. No?
Maybe I’m just thinking way off base here, sorry![/QUOTE]
No need for apology.
I’m not saying that hitting a limb would not hurt. I’m saying that hitting the wrist if you have better targets is not great, and that the wrist is a far better target when you have a blade than otherwise.
Additionally, people fall too much in love with striking the arm, and start to seek those. Most experienced guys will not flinch from having their striking limb hit. It might hurt, they might have a bruise later, but its effect on the fight is not all that vital, with a few exceptions. Frankly, hitting the bicep of an incoming hook seems more effective to me, if one is targeting the arm, but a hooking opponent may likely be making more valuable openings to their defenses than their wrist, in my opinion.
[QUOTE=pateticorecords;1113963]The area where the Pectoralis Major and Pectoralis Minor meet below the clavicle towards the shoulder joint tends to be effective in debilitating the arms (the same principle can be applied when grappling/wrestling) and doesn’t require pin point accuracy… other wise go for the knees and ankles;)[/QUOTE]
I remember experiencing that feeling in my first longfist lesson.
[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1113976]I remember experiencing that feeling in my first longfist lesson.[/QUOTE]
hahaha… me too, now I inflict it on others… muahhhahaaahahaha:p
Cdr,
The technique you’re describing is perfectly valid (at least from a trad. kung fu perspective), but it’s a technique that takes much more training time than others.
Not something to try to do…something that one day when in the zone, you might just do because you see it coming and know you can hit it.
[QUOTE=Cdr.Instigator;1113968]So, if someone threw a right or left hook to your head…one could not respond with your own hook with said “Dragon Fist” to that hand’s wrist?
I find it hard to believe that with the correct instinct and training of such theoretical tactic would not work. If you hit same area on wrist, one could possibly win the fight if the opponents wrist are hurt.. No?
Maybe I’m just thinking way off base here, sorry![/QUOTE]
I think I understand your question… instead of a small target strike to the wrist it is more feasible to execute a blocking strike aimed between the inside of wrist and the forearm, this would cause mild to severe pain based on the angle and strength used.