Evolution

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I almost put this in the science thread thats not a science thread :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyway, who read about the discovery of the new fossils found?

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/118907/Scientists_discover_new_human_species

These fossils are a completely new discovery. Whats funny is the recent discussions here about evolution and its timing to these findings. So as we can all see, regardless of how ā€˜authorativeā€™ people may want to speak on evolution (or many facets of science in general), new discoveries always make current ā€˜knowledgeā€™ subject to change.

on a side note. how about cloning dinosaurs?

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[QUOTE=Lucas;1182580]I almost put this in the science thread thats not a science thread :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyway, who read about the discovery of the new fossils found?

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/118907/Scientists_discover_new_human_species

These fossils are a completely new discovery. Whats funny is the recent discussions here about evolution and its timing to these findings. So as we can all see, regardless of how ā€˜authorativeā€™ people may want to speak on evolution (or many facets of science in general), new discoveries always make current ā€˜knowledgeā€™ subject to change.

on a side note. how about cloning dinosaurs?[/QUOTE]

What really keeps people from accepting evolution is, well, its a bit confusing for some to understand and for others, they THINK it goes against their religious views ( which in some cased because of how they interpret their religious texts, that may be the case).

Evolution is, quite simply, a living organism adapting to its environment.
The other issue is the confusion that some have about ā€œman evolving from apesā€ when what evolution states is that man and apes evolved from a common ancestor.
Not the same thing at all.

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there is this show supernatural. totally unrelated, but there is an interesting scene where an Angel is at the shore the moment that a creature first crawls out of the ocean. God tells that angel to watch over that life because of the importance of what it is to become. That scene of course following the common theory that all life started in the water, but putting a religious twist to it.

but the point is the common ancestory to all life.

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Iā€™m not a religious person, but even I think if God is real, that God would give the creations the chance to grow and adapt and change. It would be extremely near sighted to not forsee the need to evolve.

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[QUOTE=Lucas;1182591]Iā€™m not a religious person, but even I think if God is real, that God would give the creations the chance to grow and adapt and change. It would be extremely near sighted to not forsee the need to evolve.[/QUOTE]

Dā€™uhā€¦an omnipotent God could create conditions in which evolution was not required.

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I think people might need to probably stop thinking about god as a benign being in human form.
If god is everything and in everyone, then it is not a matter of someone sprinklling life here and there from a jug. :slight_smile:

Secondly, SR is right. People do not understand the concept of evolution and itā€™s factors in and of itself. many who rail against it are of the most ignorant mind that monkeys somehow became men. Not true, even by evolutionary standards.

adaptation, mutation and so on. Evolution has a greater seat in the factual than any god from any religion ever. Because we can see it to believe it and to not believe it and be outspoken is to expose yourself as ignorant if not a willful fool.

God belief is fine, but people need to keep that to themselves. Religious freedoms donā€™t give people the right to push laws down peopleā€™s throats to keep them in ignorance of truth. But, that is what religion seems to do as a constant.

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when i was a kid i had an ant farm. every now and then i would shake it up so i could watch the ants re build their tunnels.

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[QUOTE=Lucas;1182587]there is this show supernatural. totally unrelated, but there is an interesting scene where an Angel is at the shore the moment that a creature first crawls out of the ocean. God tells that angel to watch over that life because of the importance of what it is to become. That scene of course following the common theory that all life started in the water, but putting a religious twist to it.

but the point is the common ancestory to all life.[/QUOTE]

There is no reason to believe that nature is NOT as God intended.
Why would God NOT equip a living organism with the ability to adapt and survive?
The very notion of God as being the greatest thing of which we can conceive ( and that being the beginning of understanding what God is) means that what we have in Nature POINTS to God.
One can postulate as many ā€œwhat ifā€™sā€ or as many " God would do this" as you want, its all good, but none of that changes that there is no reason to view the universe as anything other than what it should be at any given time AND to also accept that due to knwo so little about it as e do NOW, our view of things ā€œtomorrowā€ may well be very different.

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[QUOTE=Lucas;1182599]when i was a kid i had an ant farm. every now and then i would shake it up so i could watch the ants re build their tunnels.[/QUOTE]

And to them, you were ā€œGodā€.

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[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1182593]Dā€™uhā€¦an omnipotent God could create conditions in which evolution was not required.[/QUOTE]

He could but then it wouldnā€™t be THIS Universe, would it?

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1182604]And to them, you were ā€œGodā€.[/QUOTE]

**** right i was, and dont you forget it!!

now as someone who doesnt believe in God, per se, when I talk about God its all just ā€˜what ifsā€™ so to speak. However another point is that sometimes, as the being in control, sometimes we just want to see our ā€˜childrenā€™ develop for themselves.

I mean if there is a God, there would be no point in creating man as anything other than what we are. Based on what little I do know of christianity, creating beings without the need or ability to evolve has already been done. Those are Angels, right?

But at the same time why cant God simply be the force that is behind all of creation, so far outside the commonly accepted understanding of what God really is? Why does God even have to be a sentient being? The power behind the big bang is unfathomable. There is a fact there though. The Universe happened. It sprang from somewhere. Our current ā€˜understandingā€™ through science is that the Universe simply ā€˜sprangā€™ into being. So then, in a way, is not the Universe itself God?

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1182604]And to them, you were ā€œGodā€.[/QUOTE]

**** right i was, and dont you forget it!!

now as someone who doesnt believe in God, per se, when I talk about God its all just ā€˜what ifsā€™ so to speak. However another point is that sometimes, as the being in control, sometimes we just want to see our ā€˜childrenā€™ develop for themselves.

I mean if there is a God, there would be no point in creating man as anything other than what we are. Based on what little I do know of christianity, creating beings without the need or ability to evolve has already been done. Those are Angels, right?

But at the same time why cant God simply be the force that is behind all of creation, so far outside the commonly accepted understanding of what God really is? Why does God even have to be a sentient being? The power behind the big bang is unfathomable. There is a fact there though. The Universe happened. It came from somewhere. Our current ā€˜understandingā€™ through science is that the Universe simply ā€˜sprangā€™ into being. So then, in a way, is not the Universe itself God?

The universe is in a constant state of growth and thus ā€˜evolutionā€™, everything is. Evolution, IMO, is the natural order of all that exists.

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[QUOTE=Lucas;1182612]**** right i was, and dont you forget it!!

now as someone who doesnt believe in God, per se, when I talk about God its all just ā€˜what ifsā€™ so to speak. However another point is that sometimes, as the being in control, sometimes we just want to see our ā€˜childrenā€™ develop for themselves.

I mean if there is a God, there would be no point in creating man as anything other than what we are. Based on what little I do know of christianity, creating beings without the need or ability to evolve has already been done. Those are Angels, right?

But at the same time why cant God simply be the force that is behind all of creation, so far outside the commonly accepted understanding of what God really is? Why does God even have to be a sentient being? The power behind the big bang is unfathomable. There is a fact there though. The Universe happened. It came from somewhere. Our current ā€˜understandingā€™ through science is that the Universe simply ā€˜sprangā€™ into being. So then, in a way, is not the Universe itself God?

The universe is in a constant state of growth and thus ā€˜evolutionā€™, everything is. Evolution, IMO, is the natural order of all that exists.[/QUOTE]

Angels are the messengers of God and they are ā€œspiritā€ beings of variouis forms, but tend to show themselves to us in a human form, so that we donā€™t **** a brick when we see them in thier REAL form.
They are the first beings created by God, BEFORE our universe/dimension came to be.
They are what we will ā€œevolveā€ to in our ultimate form.
They started off pretty much like we did in their ā€œuniverse/dimensionā€.
That aside.

The Christian God is, by ā€œHisā€ very definition of being GOD, the source of all and I am not sure that we can ever say of God that he ā€œjustā€ created the universe in a moment of singular expression of ā€œGODā€.

We canā€™t understand God, no more than those ants could understand that YOU have a conscious notion of who and what you are.

For all we know, we may find out that God is the FIRST ONE, the first ever sentient being of another universe of such infinite power that in His expression of ā€œloveā€, He created ALL so that ALL can share in the amazing experience of ā€œbeingā€.

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[QUOTE=Lucas;1182591]Iā€™m not a religious person, but even I think if God is real, that God would give the creations the chance to grow and adapt and change. It would be extremely near sighted to not forsee the need to evolve.[/QUOTE]

The only question that I want to ask a religious person is if God created the universe then why did he create so many stars?

If Iā€™m the God, Iā€™ll create earth (for life forms), sun (for daytime light source), moon (for evening light source), and stop right there.

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i follow the hawk.

the earth is formed from the corpse of the cosmic giant pangu.

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1182663]The only question that I want to ask a religious person is if God created the universe then why did he create so many stars?

If Iā€™m the God, Iā€™ll create earth (for life forms), sun (for daytime light source), moon (for evening light source), and stop right there.[/QUOTE]

that is a good questiong. going off of the religious idea that we are the only life out there, maybe its for the future. like 100 billion years from now, maybe we will inhabit all of them?

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i dont get the last image in the first one, what is that supposed to be? the sidekick assassin is awesome though. it kind of looks like someone on lying on their back with something on their legs or some such.

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