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Too funny,
and sadly true.
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[QUOTE=MightyB;1182676]Too funny,
and sadly true.[/QUOTE]
answer me!!! :mad:
oh thats easier to see!!
i believe in jesus as the black revolutionary messiah. i dont believe in evolution, i believe in revolution.
[QUOTE=bawang;1182690]i believe in jesus as the black revolutionary messiah. i dont believe in evolution, i believe in revolution.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1182583]What really keeps people from accepting evolution is, well, its a bit confusing for some to understand and for others, they THINK it goes against their religious views ( which in some cased because of how they interpret their religious texts, that may be the case).
Evolution is, quite simply, a living organism adapting to its environment.
The other issue is the confusion that some have about “man evolving from apes” when what evolution states is that man and apes evolved from a common ancestor.
Not the same thing at all.[/QUOTE]
yeah, whoever said “we come from monkees” needs to be drawn and quartered in the public square. Disinformation has been the name of this game for some time now. I guess we all have our agendas.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1182603]There is no reason to believe that nature is NOT as God intended.
Why would God NOT equip a living organism with the ability to adapt and survive?
The very notion of God as being the greatest thing of which we can conceive ( and that being the beginning of understanding what God is) means that what we have in Nature POINTS to God.
One can postulate as many “what if’s” or as many " God would do this" as you want, its all good, but none of that changes that there is no reason to view the universe as anything other than what it should be at any given time AND to also accept that due to knwo so little about it as e do NOW, our view of things “tomorrow” may well be very different.[/QUOTE]
So, using that argument, god may or may not exist. lol… Some foreward thinking sh1t right there playbwoy 
I always figured if god gave free will then wh not evolution in a broader sense as well, no?
It’s all semantics to me. I’m an agnostic at heart. Based on what I know today anyways. Who knows what “tomorrow” will teach me. I’m always open to change, I have no faith in that respect.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1182593]D’uh…an omnipotent God could create conditions in which evolution was not required.[/QUOTE]
or not… duh
[QUOTE=Syn7;1182737]yeah, whoever said “we come from monkees” needs to be drawn and quartered in the public square. Disinformation has been the name of this game for some time now. I guess we all have our agendas.[/QUOTE]
That statement is not totally incorrect. The forbears of our ape-like ancestors were monkey-like. However, the statement is incorrect in that our most recent ancestor was an ape-like animal akin to the chimp and bonobo. Here is a chart comparing the arm to leg ratio of bonobos (who share 98.6% of our DNA according to the genome project) and australopithecus, an early human ancestor who lived some 4 million years ago. Some primatologists consider the bonobo to be a model for the joint human-chimp ancestor who lived 7 million years ago.
I’m not a big fan of the way science-deniers use the term because it is so loaded with false misconceptions. The idea that humans were separate from and held dominion over animals first appeared in the bible. The ancient Greeks spread the idea that animals were mindless automatons, while humans were the pinnacle of nature because we could think and feel. This was expounded during the 17th century by the French philosopher Descartes. Yet, research has shown that animals, especially our ape cousins, are far more intelligent than what we give them credit for. Most importantly, our close genetic relatedness to chimps and the other great apes shows that we are ourselves apes. We just have less hair, upright posture, and more brains.
My mother just so happens to be one of the people who parrots this phrase. She is not a terribly religions women, and she is pretty intelligent considering that she is a radiation therapist and a billing analyst, but she just can’t accept the evidence. That’s primarily because her religious views are entrenched and she doesn’t feel the need to read up on the subject. This is a classic mistake that many people make. Some do look for information, but they usually get it from biased religious apologetic websites.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1182615]Angels are the messengers of God and they are “spirit” beings of variouis forms, but tend to show themselves to us in a human form, so that we don’t **** a brick when we see them in thier REAL form.
They are the first beings created by God, BEFORE our universe/dimension came to be.
They are what we will “evolve” to in our ultimate form.
They started off pretty much like we did in their “universe/dimension”.
That aside.
The Christian God is, by “His” very definition of being GOD, the source of all and I am not sure that we can ever say of God that he “just” created the universe in a moment of singular expression of “GOD”.
We can’t understand God, no more than those ants could understand that YOU have a conscious notion of who and what you are.
For all we know, we may find out that God is the FIRST ONE, the first ever sentient being of another universe of such infinite power that in His expression of “love”, He created ALL so that ALL can share in the amazing experience of “being”.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe god is just one step above us in the pyramid and just seems godly even tho he has a creator and his creator has a creator and his creator has a creator and…
Where did you cross the concept of angels being highly evolved humans? Or are they not human and we end up like them anyways??? I would love to read about this. What passages are you refering to. You say it with such certainty that I have to assume the concept is actually in the bible or some other highly christian-credible source or you are making some sort of leap here.
Bibliography please!?!?
[QUOTE=ghostexorcist;1182742]That statement is not totally incorrect. The forbears of our ape-like ancestors were monkey-like. However, the statement is incorrect in that our most recent ancestor was an ape-like animal akin to the chimp and bonobo. Here is a chart comparing the arm to leg ratio of bonobos (who share 98.6% of our DNA according to the genome project) and australopithecus, an early human ancestor who lived some 4 million years ago. Some primatologists consider the bonobo to be a model for the joint human-chimp ancestor who lived 7 million years ago.
I’m not a big fan of the way science-deniers use the term because it is so loaded with false misconceptions. The idea that humans were separate from and held dominion over animals first appeared in the bible. The ancient Greeks spread the idea that animals were mindless automatons, while humans were the pinnacle of nature because we could think and feel. This was expounded during the 17th century by the French philosopher Descartes. Yet, research has shown that animals, especially our ape cousins, are far more intelligent than what we give them credit for. Most importantly, our close genetic relatedness to chimps and the other great apes shows that we are ourselves apes. We just have less hair, upright posture, and more brains.
My mother just so happens to be one of the people who parrots this phrase. She is not a terribly religions women, and she is pretty intelligent considering that she is a radiation therapist and a billing analyst, but she just can’t accept the evidence. That’s primarily because her religious views are entrenched and she doesn’t feel the need to read up on the subject. This is a classic mistake that many people make. Some do look for information, but they usually get it from biased religious apologetic websites.[/QUOTE]
Saying we have a common ancestor with all apes and saying “we come from monkeys” is not the same thing. One is either misinterpreted or meant to be misinterpreted and the other is a valid verifiable provable truth. Not merely fact, but truth. There is a difference. Fact is consensus, truth is truth. I doubt any of this is in dispute here with the cats in this thread. No need to hash it out. Does anyone here not understand the common ancestor thang?
Anyways the statement “we come from monkeys” is absolutely 100% false. In every way you look at it. It’s somewhat complicated at first but only some monkeys share a common parvorder with apes and humans… and no monkeys are hominoids whereas all apes are. Humans are h0monini which is also the same class for some apes but not all and NEVER monkeys. Understand? We are both simiiformes but that is our last common juncture and calling it “monkeys” is so freakin’ off, it’s laughable. It isn’t quite as ignorant as believing a dolphin is a fish, but it’s pretty close and almost as misinformed.
One thing you are right about is that we are most closely related to the genus pan which is bonobos and chimps, they are our closest living h0monin relatives. And for the record we are h0mosapiansapians. No I didn’t stutter. As for apes, the hylobatidae#now gibbons# split first and then the pongo#urangs# split second then the gorillini which left the h0monini which eventually branched into humans chimps and bonobos. Of course this is a very basic nutshell explanation, but it seemed called for at this point.
Anyone ever seen how bonobos play ball tag? They’re h0rny lil fukcers. They give a whole new meaning to flirting.
New Human Species Found
Anybody see this article that came out recently?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19184370
Also, because I’ve seen some misconceptions out there of the actual mechanism of evolution (i.e. how it works) here is a reference that explains some more:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_14
and, of course the wikipedia page 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
An important point about the theory of evolution is that it is natural selection which is the mechanism of evolution. Natural, random variation within a species provides the background within which this mechanism can occur. This is subtly different from a common misconception that organisms actively change themselves to adapt to their environment.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1182663]The only question that I want to ask a religious person is if God created the universe then why did he create so many stars?
If I’m the God, I’ll create earth (for life forms), sun (for daytime light source), moon (for evening light source), and stop right there.[/QUOTE]
A valid question, I’ll ask HIM next time we speak 
I asked and He said none of my business…:mad:
On a serious note, we have to understand and acknowledge that the (our) universe is the way it is because it can’t be any other way.
The universe cam to be in an instant of amazing power and energy and what we know of it tells us that there are precise factors that make the universe the way it is, gravity for example, of the gravatational constant was too much, the universe would have imploded, too little, it would have been “flung apart”.
To wonder why things are THIS way is to assume that in THIS universe they could have been any other and, so far, science has shown us that there are reasons for everything (so far).
[QUOTE=Syn7;1182743]Or maybe god is just one step above us in the pyramid and just seems godly even tho he has a creator and his creator has a creator and his creator has a creator and…
Where did you cross the concept of angels being highly evolved humans? Or are they not human and we end up like them anyways??? I would love to read about this. What passages are you refering to. You say it with such certainty that I have to assume the concept is actually in the bible or some other highly christian-credible source or you are making some sort of leap here.
Bibliography please!?!?[/QUOTE]
No, angels are not “highly evolved humans”, they are highly evolved beings that are NOT human BUT that we humans will, potentially “evolve” to ourselves.
To a certain degree of course.
Luke 20-
34Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, 35but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Parallels to Mark 12:
25“For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
We end up like them but do NOT become them ( their particular “species”).
According to Paul in his letter to the Corinthians, he implies that we may be even MORE than them, since we will “judge the angels” ( perhaps a reference to judging the fallen ones).
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1182759]No, angels are not “highly evolved humans”, they are highly evolved beings that are NOT human BUT that we humans will, potentially “evolve” to ourselves.
To a certain degree of course.
Luke 20-
34Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, 35but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Parallels to Mark 12:
25“For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
We end up like them but do NOT become them ( their particular “species”).
According to Paul in his letter to the Corinthians, he implies that we may be even MORE than them, since we will “judge the angels” ( perhaps a reference to judging the fallen ones).[/QUOTE]
SR, I respect your freedom to believe whatever you wish but disagree in using the Bible as a reference to provide any kind of evidence for angel’s existence. As I’m aware there is currently no evidence whatsoever that angels exist.
[QUOTE=Empty_Cup;1182761]SR, I respect your freedom to believe whatever you wish but disagree in using the Bible as a reference to provide any kind of evidence for angel’s existence. As I’m aware there is currently no evidence whatsoever that angels exist.[/QUOTE]
religious texts and treatises are the only texts and treatises that provide writing on angels really.
So, it is belief and it is based in religiosity. Not in scientific evidence.
I believe there are beings other than humans in this universe with equal or better levels of intelligence and ability than us. I believe that these beings, if they ever visited other planets such as ours would be mistaken for gods or angels or what have you by a more ignorant species.
It’s hard to find an more ignorant species than humans. At this point, there is no evidence that what I believe is true either.
Belief and truth are two different things and shouldn’t be passed off as equal. I agree. truth supersedes any and all held belief in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Empty_Cup;1182761]SR, I respect your freedom to believe whatever you wish but disagree in using the Bible as a reference to provide any kind of evidence for angel’s existence. As I’m aware there is currently no evidence whatsoever that angels exist.[/QUOTE]
Dude, He asked me “what passages” I was referring to about humans becoming like the angels.
Where did you think he meant by “passages” ??
The bible is a valid area in which to expand on biblical issues, it is NOT a valid area on which to expand on science or needle point for that matter.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1182762]
Belief and truth are two different things and shouldn’t be passed off as equal. I agree. truth supersedes any and all held belief in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Truth is a belief that has been prove to be correct.
Everything we think is a belief, everything is proceeded by a belief.
Truth doesn’t carry any more or less weight than a belief, unless we are talking about concrete truths such as mathematical truths.
Most truths we have are abstract truths based on perception.
As the old saying goes, “what is truth?”
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1182605]He could but then it wouldn’t be THIS Universe, would it?[/QUOTE]
Right. This universe where where kids get cancer, people starve because of famine and drought, and it’s OK to kill women you rape if they don’t marry you.