I’m surprised that no groundfighting techniques were executed because Emin supposedly came from a Turkish wrestling-style background.
As for “secret training” and any “secret techniques” given, Emin has said that those rumors and stuff were untrue – he entered the challenge basically doing what he normally did back then.
>He was either very very very…very very tired when he watched that fight or he is blind and was relying on the sound<
Good call Sihing,I’m glad you don’t take sides.
BTW,his arm works fine 
I Hope So
Hi TN,
I am sure his arm works well, I would hate to think he has continued on to become one of the most sought after trainers if he had any trouble with using one of his arms. Still, ask him if it hurt any after the incident ;).
I still say this whole affair was an embarrasment and accomplished nothing. It is sad that all these years later we still have those who would continue to keep members of both lineages apart by keeping this going. I feel, it is time to move on.
This incident reminds me of the Bruce Lee/Wong Jack Man(sp?) fight. Depending on who you talk to you will hear that each person thoroughly defeated the other one. Both sides claimed victory and many years later some still dredge it up to prove a point, or attempt to.
I really do try not to take sides. Firstly because I was not there. Secondly because I have or had ties to some of the people there from Leung Tings organization, Klaus Hennrich was present with Emin and he trained me in Germany. Thirdly because I personally have my own feelings about Emin whihc have nothing to do with his fighting ability so I am probably biased. Lastly because it still accomplished, IMHO, NOTHING!!!
BTW: I am still feeling kind of tired 
Peace,
Dave
Actually Dave i don’t really care who won the fight I’m just curious to have a peek!!! Again, can anybody here tell me where i can find the clip online?
Yeah. Where can those of us who didn’t see the “fight” go just to take a look at it? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Online=not
Hello,
Sorry but I have no information about where one may go online to view a clip of this incident. I used to have a copy along with some photos but they have grown legs and walked some time ago. I know you can view the “fight” on one of Leung Tings video tapes, I think it was Dynamic Wing Tsun, however, I believe that versions may be somewhat edited.
All in all you are not missing much. The entire affair lasted something like 30-45 seconds from initial attack to the ground and finishing.
If anyone knows where to view it online they have not said where.
Peace,
Dave
hi there
my friends that many talking baout one bad fight … plz so many fine themes about wing chun and chi sao… - just friendly tiger_1 (show to me non ordunary wingchunger im can show you a progres and good road)
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http://www.freeweb.hu/fight/
It’s a very bad quality.
Correction re: Draheim/Parlati
Just a correction to S73’s statements re Draheim/Parlati.
The fight was not between Andrew Draheim and Victor Parlati, but Andrew Draheim and Keith Mazza. The fight did not happen a short time after the Cologne incident (1986), but about ten years later.
Draheim posted many long, provocative tracts ridiculing Cheung and TWC on rec.m-a. A flame war of epic proportions ensued. Draheim was extremely provocative, posting pictures of the Cheung/Boztepe fight/fiasco on his website, even to the point of moving his training premises into the same building as TWC instructor Victor Parlati. Parlati claimed to have met Draheim over a beer to try and sort the whole thing out, and begged off a challenge match due to having undergone recent surgery. While Draheim was flaming and being flamed in return by a cast of 1000s including myself, he accepted a challenge from Keith Mazza. Parlati and some other guy turned up at Draheim’s premises to say they wanted to fight there and then, Draheim said he only wanted to fight Mazza, after which Mazza was brought into the room and a “fight” commenced. Both sides claimed victory, but only Draheim went to the emergency room afterwards. Both sued each other, both withdrew charges and both were evicted from their building by an annoyed landlord.
While the conduct of Cheung, Boztepe, Draheim, Parlati and Mazza in these ignominious incidents brands each as a arrogant, immature moron, Draheim deserves special executive moron status for his prodigous and unequalled output of self delusional bullshit on rec.m-a. He was an embarassment to his seniors and to WC in general.
While the statements of the BJJ and MMA crowds have to be taken with a grain of salt, at least their ascendency has made it more difficult to make insulting or grandious statements about MA styles without there being a real possibility of people being prepared to take the claimant up on it.
“Draheim deserves special executive moron status for his prodigous and unequalled output of self delusional bullshit on rec.m-a.”
LOL!