Elephant Style Kung Fu

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[QUOTE=hskwarrior;615605]Hi guys,

just thought i’d participate on this elephant form ya’ll have been speaking on about.

From what i’ve heard is Wong, Doc Fai does have the elephant form, and it certainly does come from Professor Lau Bun, not Wong Gong. He published a magazine article about it featuring his son Jason Wong.

also, i’ve heard that it is a treasured form, closely guarded in the current Hung Sing Studio under Grand Master D. Salvatera. it is my understanding that Wong, Doc Fai may have only gotten a version or modified version of it. the real question here is what version did he get? who got the original? Was it his si-hing Jew Leong? or did Professor Lau Bun keep the original for himself and only give a modified version of it. He was known to alter a set or two to fit a specific individual.

However, i do own a copy of a dvd with Wong Doc Fai in his youth performing the elephant set, along with some clips of him performing the butterfly sword form which is much different than what he performed on that old Wah Lum tape he did.

But, don’t be fooled there are many versions out there and all claim to have the original. who’s to tell?

Have a good day.

hskwarrior[/QUOTE]

Frank, is it possible for me to see some of your clips on Doc fai Wong in his youth demoing the set?.:cool:

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elephant set

I’m a twenty plus year practitioner of the late Grandmaster Ark Wong’s Ng Ga Kuen system. We also have an elephant set. Its one of the second group of five animals that we learn after learning the first five and more commonly known, snake,tiger, leopard,dragon, and crane.

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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ChWLVs1JqM4

peep the three minute mark…does he say five Elephants vs the ghostface killa?..dude in brown with long white hair:)

I’m need more time to scan that article.

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Slightly OT

Elephant “kungfu” show angers rights group
English.news.cn 2014-07-07 00:16:12 [More]

TIANJIN, July 6 (Xinhua) – A northern Chinese zoo has drawn protest from animal rights activists by putting up elephant shows that featured handstands and other “martial art” performances.

The Tianjin Zoo introduced two Asian elephants from the southern city of Shenzhen on May 21 to perform various stunts, including walking on “plum blossom stakes,” apparently inspired by a similar kungfu exercise, and crossing a single-plank bridge, local media have reported earlier.

The zoo holds five shows a day on workday, which last for 20 minutes each, with extra rounds at weekends and holidays, says a post in the zoo. Visitors are charged 10 yuan (1.6 U.S. dollars) for entrance and another 60 yuan for photographing with the elephant, said Xinhua reporters at the site.

In one “handstand” performance, the elephant was driven onto iron stakes, lifted its hind legs and relied its body’s weight on two forelegs.

Animal welfare campaigners have accused the zoo of violating a government ban on animal shows. The Nature University, an environment protection group, said they have filed a protest to the zoo and the city authority.

“Stunts like handstands, sitting and kneeling are unnatural for elephants and will cause serious physical and mental harms,” said Hu Chunmei with the Nature University, citing her consultation with zoologists and vets.

The show also poses safety risks to the audience, as Hu said the elephants might run into rampage when forced into such stressful shows under scorching weather, while the zoo had not put in place sufficient protective measures.

In a reply to the group, the townscape planning authority of Tianjin that oversees the zoo said the show is a “behavioral training demonstration,” which aims to promote knowledge among the public.

“We have not employed beating or abuse in the process, and the activity is not profit-driven,” it said.

Attempts to reach the zoo for comments failed on Sunday.

China has observed boycotts and protests against animal shows in recent years, a sign of rising public awareness on animal welfare. Last year, a zoo in northeast China fired its circuses after reports that its tigers were tied up to allow tourists to take close-up pictures made splashes online.
Editor: yan
Not much different than a circus act really, although those are points of contention for animal rights too.

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Latecomer to the thread here. I’d never even seen it before.

My CLF lineage (Sifu Primicias, who studied under John Lem) contains elephant techniques in the 2-man application exercises, as well as in some of the hand forms, although this lineage has few hand forms. However, our lineage has no ‘elephant set’. And it’s unknowable whether or not there are any similarities between our elephant techniques and those of HSCLF.

Speaking of which, Doc-Fai Wong has stated that he is Sifu Primicias’ CLF teacher. While Sifu Primicias did learn some sets from DFW, his true teacher was John Lem. Sifu Primicias wanted to learn some more sets to gain a broader view of CLF. DFW wasn’t even Sifu Primicias’ first HSCLF teacher, Howard Lee was. In fact, he got his start in CLF under Howard Lee, who eventually left the school to John Lem, who’s from a different lineage, circa 1967.

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Primicias

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XDqS1pXhM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJaZ4-6yY8U

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[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1273174]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XDqS1pXhM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJaZ4-6yY8U[/QUOTE]

Cheers, hsk!

I remember Sifu Primicias showing us some old films at his home of him and his early students from the early 1970s, including him and them fighting in the old karate tournaments (very effectively) including, if I’m not mistaken, the Ed Parker Long Beach Internationals. He even has film of him taken in the early '60, in his Kajukenbo black belt days, pre-CLF.

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What is the relationship between HSCLF elephant and that of village hung gar elephant? Any connection?

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none…