keep away from sensitive skin areas (if you know what I mean!
hehe .. my teacher student was a brick layer and it ended up that he gradually recommended some jow tohis work makes for back pain, sore knees etc as builders would getā¦ anyway he one day toldthe story that one of the builders rubbed jow on his elbow and soon after had to go to the toilet, forgetting his had not washed his hands after using the jow especially since that jow permiate (? mean go into) the skin and so not oily etc.. but anyways in the process of going to the toilet he touched his āsensitive skin areaā and was VERY unconfortable!!!
Cold or Heat in acute injurt management is always a debate, i think it comes down to personal choice and particualr injuries also, sometimes a combination, there is much information for and against both sides.
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Ice is only used in the first 24 hours and only used if there is swelling (after that use heat). Heat used on swelling right after an injury will only cause more swelling to get rid of. Similar, massage soon after an injury must be light so as not to aggravate the injury. The light massage is light right on the injury and gets heavier the further you move away from the focus of the injury.
I agree with you about different schools of thought, but I have successfully treated injuries (including severe contusions to the bone) this way for over 25 years.
I think BearBear summed it up best. Personal choice is where it seems to be. I personally have only been using massage and the healing arts maybe 7 or 8 years, these techniques I speak about work just as well for me, as yours seems to for you. My teacher has also been using this system his entire career. For what it is worth my grandmother used very similar techniques as my Sifu.
As far as using heat on severe trauma, I never said that we use heat if you read my post, I actually said we donāt use ice for this. Though, after re-reading my post I can see where you would get that from how it is written. In fact, what we do do, is use touching techniques and use what is referred to as cold qi to sedate. I donāt know what your belief is when it comes to using energy to heal, but this is my main area of study right now. I am sure some will have their comments about this. LOL!
But, as I said prior, it is great to see varying view points from other healers. So, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Nice chatting with you.
FWIW, I believe the principle is consistant across all cultures.
Circulation brings healing power. Heat increases circulation by opening capillaries. Cold closes them down, squeezing out dead blood, or diminishing the bleeding of broken capillaries.
The preparations topically applied improve circulation and combined with massage clear up the area so fresh new blood can move through and heal.
Ice is good to prevent the collection of dead blood into a āfreshā bruise. Hot and cold in alternation will āpumpā blood through an injured area. Heavy massage on a fresh bruise is counter productive, as it both hurts and doesnt do anything to stop the internal bleeding.
To my understanding there is very little that can penetrate the skin. DMSO is one example. I have my doubts as to the herbs, but nothing would surprise me, as the results Iāve had from topical herbal treatments (various liniments, poltices, baths etc) have been undeniably effective and verifiable. Many Jaus arenāt supposed to be used on broken skin, which indicates they donāt penetrate the skin anyway (hopefully??). Analgesics donāt require penetration to diminish pain. Some of the Iron Palm stuff kills nerves and causes callouses to grow with proper āmassageā. It can also cripple your hands so be advised lads.
Iām no doctor, or physio, I can only speak from my own experience.
Iām more scientist than shaman by nature, but reality is reality and there is lots I simply canāt explain, but trust nevertheless.
If someone were to practice bonesetting in the US, what would be some of the things that they would have to be careful about so they wonāt get sued?
There is certification for accpunture and tuina but none for bonesetting.
What legal issues should the bonesetter keep in mind? This is probably the same issues related to people who practice other holistic arts such as Reiki, and what not.
Be careful about recommending excercises? Move to chinatown and practice there since the Chinese already know and are comforable about bonesetting? Only see people that are referred to you?
FT hi & things going okay so thanks for asking & Iām getting schit sling by some stupid trolls so thats mean I doing okay on this forum stuffs too. This thread is really clean & isnāt it great to see so much open sharing of stuffs mostly in past kept behind doors & this is where power of this Internet shows to be real I think. I read where you say right & wrong way with Iron Palm & I think there are right ways & many many wrong ways so what are you allowed to say about right way as you know it as theres plenty of craps on wrong ways that young guys mess with & wind up with some really screwed up hands sometimes for life & sometimes can be fixed from what I see of this thing. Hereās a deal I make with you for the forum guys okay & if you post something without getting youself in trouble with your Sifu on right way of Iron Palm as your Pai knows it & make it something they can use then I post something on fingers from my hand that makes for stabbing fingers for these guys that they can use okay.
I will share some knowledge on YKM iron hand skill. We have 3 levels as i once mentioned each have 3-4 stages of hardness and softness. Meds and chi kung to heal and settle the chi and blood as well as different formulas for each level of training.
level 1 is static and slaps onto a bag of rice or peas for stage 1 with herbs inside the bag if you like to add the herbs. The hand exercise isnt much different to most other arts but the meds, chi gung, herbs are different etc. One must start gentle and learn focus, timing, correct bone alignment, breathing, from a short distance we drop or hit the bag to develop the heavy hand and short power but its done very gentley at the begining working up to many reps without injuried or calousos. Old crude methods like stabbing the fingers can be bad but will condition faster and give you health problems. I also have been told that rusty nails was also used in jow to make it more potent but i never use the rusty nails.
this is all i will say for now, please talk of your hand!?
FT yes thatās how I know this thing too & I tell young guys best to do too little now & then than too much one time as it sure as hell mess up the hand & needs a long break just to start all over again but mostly they donāt listen too good as young guys all thinks more is better all the time. Same stuffs as you say for fingers but its put in a bucket set 1/2 between waist & shoulders at angle so mouth or open end facing up & to the guy & fingers extended but lightly cupped with palm down thrust into stuffs at angle down to follow path of bucket & as fingers touch they straighten out all the way but not from fingers but from palm of hand as it goes from lightly cupped like holding a big ball to flat. Power to make the fingers straight comes from hand & not fingers their self & once go in as deep as you can that time then fingers buried under stuff are spread wide as you can apart while doing tension & not fast like & hand swirls one time to outside & next time inside & back & forth like this okay. When all the way opened fingers swirl through stuff they then close but closing power from hand & not fingers so much but when closed all the way squeezed very very tight like in closed fist. Then hand pulled all the way out but all power comes from shoulder so shoulder goes forward on thrust & pulls back when taking out & elbow bends to clear hand from bucket then shoulder shoots forward & fingers opened fast as you can but power that opens fingers comes from hand & not fingers so much & stuffs thrown like back into bucket. Okay this is a little bit of how I know this thing okay & chi kung & herbs dammed good stuffs to have when doing this as its possible to really screw up doing too much & not know too much done until its too late so chi kung & herbs give some protection to mistakes which are going to happen sometimes to all peoples I think.
Elliot thatās how I know this thing okay he said young guys donāt listen too good as young guys all thinks more is better all the time youāve got to talk with your hands then he tells us in graphic detail of how he does finger and palm master-baition with chi kung & herbs its possible to really screw up doing too much & not know too much done until its too late okay this is a little bit of how I know this thing okay.
my only advice is if you are going to make your own medicine beware..most herb shops wont think twice about selling you garbage herbs..or even the wrong herb if its cheaper and looks like what you are buyingā¦so buyer bewareā¦not saying all are bad and shady..but many are so be prepared to and dont be afraid to argue price and to ask for better qualityā¦
