Different types of Ging in Wing Chun

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1149908]I feel the same way too. I just didn’t want to point it out. Anybody can “redefine” Jin and Fajin.

IMO, the

  • stciking power,
  • listening power,
  • guiding power,
  • connecting power

have nothing to do with the TCMA Fajin definition.

For example, the Tinjin (listening power) is to listen to “your opponent’s power” which has nothing to do with your own power generation.[/QUOTE]

That is because “Jin” is energy coming in and “fa Jin” is energy going out. The four you listed are all Jin, not Fa Jin.

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The Baji system only has 3 Jins:

  • sinking power,
  • expending power,
  • twisting power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYikolf7udw

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Where’s the character?

So what exactly are we trying to talk about here???

Can anybody share the actual characters?? I’m still waiting…

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[QUOTE=WC1277;1149943]That is because “Jin” is energy coming in and “fa Jin” is energy going out. The four you listed are all Jin, not Fa Jin.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I aggree, good post.

Energy flows both ways, if your energy only flows one way, then you are missing half the circle.

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[QUOTE=WC1277;1149943]That is because “Jin” is energy coming in and “fa Jin” is energy going out. The four you listed are all Jin, not Fa Jin.[/QUOTE]

The energy coming in is not your energy. Why do you want to talk about your opponent’s energy? To be able to deal with your opponent’s energy and to be able to generate your own energy are 2 different issues. IMO, it’s confused to mix both subjects in one discussion.

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150041]The energy coming in is not your energy. Why do you want to talk about your opponent’s energy? To be able to deal with your opponent’s energy and to be able to generate your own energy are 2 different issues. IMO, it’s confused to mix both subjects in one discussion.[/QUOTE]

Its your energy after you take it in, and without that half of the circle your outward energy is incomplete and very inefficient, unless you are using momentum generation power which is not a jin.

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1150041]The energy coming in is not your energy. Why do you want to talk about your opponent’s energy? To be able to deal with your opponent’s energy and to be able to generate your own energy are 2 different issues. IMO, it’s confused to mix both subjects in one discussion.[/QUOTE]

You’re the one who mixed them by saying those 4 subjects were Fajin and so therefor wrong. I was merely responding that your comment had no merit because those 4 subjects were Jin, not Fajin

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[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1150011]So what exactly are we trying to talk about here???

Can anybody share the actual characters?? I’m still waiting…[/QUOTE]

Spenc, sorry buddy I don’t have the characters but I’ll try to get them for you.

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[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1150011]So what exactly are we trying to talk about here???

Can anybody share the actual characters?? I’m still waiting…[/QUOTE]

Talk about

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I dont really care!!!

Let Mofophuka try an sue me…See what he get…Jack…nothing but a headache…Im from the Hood Yo…I wish a Nicca would come around here talking that copyright infringement stuff with me!

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Different types of ging in Wing Chun

[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1149782]Wing Chun has eight energies. Not all of them are explosive! How do you manifest them?

1.Bau Ja ging ( Explode Power )
Ging is your internal power that is executed outwardly; people can see how much power you have. This is when they can see Ging externally.

2.Chi Ging ( Sticking Power )
In Wing Chun, we stick to everything so that we make our energy and our opponents energy one. Therefore, when he tries to move I can control him by using his force this is now my force.

3.Keng Ging ( listening Power )
listening means feeling your opponents energy and body talk ,so you trap him by counter moving before him.

4.Juun Ging ( Drilling Power )
Drilling Power is the force that goes forward, it is like a circle, every straight line has a circle. This does not mean a circle motion, the straight line is drilling like a spiral. Just like a bullet as it turns, as it goes through the air.

5.Jek Jip Ging ( Direct Power )
Direct Power means I use the power to go from point to point by bouncing off the first point and going straight to the second point. Like hitting one opponent’s head and using that point to start a technique to hit the second opponent.

6.Yaan Ging ( Guiding Power )
Guiding force is the one you use when your opponent’s incoming force is on its way. You just turn the force a way to the side and carry on in a circle back to the starting point of the attack. Just like a wheel.

7.Lin Jip Ging ( Connecting Power )
Connecting Power is like Direct Power from one motion move to the next motion without stopping. Like if you do a Pak Sau use the same hand to do Tan Sau or a Punch straight away without stopping, just learn to feel what’s going on.

8.Choung Ging ( Aggressive Power )
Aggressive Power is used outwardly, you must be very mentally calm. However, you must not be out of control. If you do not train this, in the right way you will be out of control.[/QUOTE]

Who is your WC sifu anyway ? Just out of curiosity ?

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Yes Yoshi, whom have you learned VT/WC from?

For some VT/WC is not just a hobby they do on the weekends; it’s a livelihood. Some have spent a life time researching, studying, training, and documenting their findings and thoughts. It is not uncommon for people to take other people’s ideas and hard work and peddle it as their own. Having said that, it is very understandable that some people are very guarded about their knowledge.

And no, you don’t owe anyone anything. Just like you don’t have to open a door for a stranger who obviously has his hands full of groceries or you don’t have to give up your seat for an elderly person. Like others have mentioned it’s just common courtesy or just being a good human being. This is your choice.

I too was raised in a “hood yo” and making comments like that to somehow allude to your toughness because you were raised in a low income community is really very silly.

" I wish a Nicca would come around here talking that copyright infringement stuff with me!"

And if they did go there to speak with you about the copyright laws what then?
Would you grab a tool and wet that person? Knuckle up and eat his food?
If so then you are going to be dealing with more than just copyright problems.
No need to pull out your ghetto card Yoshi its just a net forum.

Anyways just my 2 cents…. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1150051]Talk about [/QUOTE]

= Fajin

Aha!! You see, I knew Hendrik would come up trumps before the new year :wink: It also means that ALL the Ging highlighted by Sifu Fong are actually ‘Fajin’, as they are all unique methods of issuing or releasing this strength. Just a thought.

2012 looks to be less confusing for me lol!

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my WC and tai chi sifu is Wilber smith…he learn from a guy named robert mcfield like in the eighties.

[QUOTE=lance;1150766]Who is your WC sifu anyway ? Just out of curiosity ?[/QUOTE]

Hey buddy if its on the interent its not a secret any more…as for peddleing ideas as their my own…the only time someone gets my own idea…is when i say this is my innovation or this is my way of doing things. Everything else comes from a sifu or sihing or older kung fu relative.

thanks for your opinion on the other stuff and common courtesy…everyone is different not everyone follows your customs! but its all good yo…As from the hood part…that simply means if someone thinking about causing a stink with me in person you got nothing coming but disappointments.

But again this discussion is over…i threw with peoples views on how they feel about the info i posted…

i simply posted it for a discussion to ensue…

So if you want to talk about something by all means make mention of the original post i made!

[QUOTE=Jubei1;1150781]Yes Yoshi, whom have you learned VT/WC from?

For some VT/WC is not just a hobby they do on the weekends; it’s a livelihood. Some have spent a life time researching, studying, training, and documenting their findings and thoughts. It is not uncommon for people to take other people’s ideas and hard work and peddle it as their own. Having said that, it is very understandable that some people are very guarded about their knowledge.

And no, you don’t owe anyone anything. Just like you don’t have to open a door for a stranger who obviously has his hands full of groceries or you don’t have to give up your seat for an elderly person. Like others have mentioned it’s just common courtesy or just being a good human being. This is your choice.

I too was raised in a “hood yo” and making comments like that to somehow allude to your toughness because you were raised in a low income community is really very silly.

" I wish a Nicca would come around here talking that copyright infringement stuff with me!"

And if they did go there to speak with you about the copyright laws what then?
Would you grab a tool and wet that person? Knuckle up and eat his food?
If so then you are going to be dealing with more than just copyright problems.
No need to pull out your ghetto card Yoshi its just a net forum.

Anyways just my 2 cents…. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1150783] = Fajin

Aha!! You see, I knew Hendrik would come up trumps before the new year :wink: It also means that ALL the Ging highlighted by Sifu Fong are actually ‘Fajin’, as they are all unique methods of issuing or releasing this strength. Just a thought.

2012 looks to be less confusing for me lol![/QUOTE]