Democrat James Carville tells it like it is

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1017150]not that I can’t find them, just not going to bother looking. You know it’s been pointed out to you before where you were outright wrong on the facts. But anyway…[/QUOTE]

So you made another accusation about me without having a shred of evidence to back you up. At least you admitted it.

Again, I openly admit I’ve been wrong on facts a time or two. And when shown sourced info that proves me wrong, I’ve gotten on here and admitted I was wrong. You said I make stuff up. Apples and oranges.

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1017150]I’ve told you before, this is the taint section and it’s where I troll. Sometimes it’s a soft trolling and other times it’s hard trolling. really, beside goofy youtube vid shows, there’s not a lot to do in an off topic forum beside trolling, but you knew that![/QUOTE]

Fair enough, again thanks for the honesty. I myself do enjoy spirited political discussions though.

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1017150]ha! YOu discuss plenty of stuff you demonstrably have no knowledge of.[/QUOTE]

Like…?

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1017150]With taunts aimed at rudy abel? that doesn’t count. lol[/QUOTE]

I had a goal in mind when doing that, and I achieved my objective. :wink:

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[QUOTE=SanHeChuan;1017175]This post sounds to me like you think doing nothing while people are dying, is the same as doing nothing while people are losing money. If that is not what you think, then you wouldn’t expect Obama to get equal criticism as bush, would you.[/QUOTE]

How so, considering the paragraph you quoted never mentions dying or deaths?

Bush was criticized for his lack of caring, lack of Federal action, not spending enough money, not showing up enough, his racism :rolleyes:, flying over the area in Air Force 1, etc. Obama got a pass on the entire disaster. I just pointed out the hypocracy in that. Do you not agree there was/is a double standard?

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[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1017178]Just to be specific, those 11 people were killed by the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon, not as a result of the spill.

Which begs the question; how many people have been killed by the spill itself?[/QUOTE]

Ah, but now your liberal arguments can be used against you. :smiley:

See, secondhand smoke and pollution kill people, right? You liberals have been saying for decades it does, it just takes a long time. Well, this oil is giving people health problems that may well have long-term health effects, maybe even death. And don’t forget food poisoning. Almost 1/3 of the Gulf’s fishing areas are now off-limits as of today due to the fear of tainted seafood (31%).

Remember, once Katrina was over, the dying was over. But it was still Bush’s job to clean it up, buy people new homes, find them jobs, etc. :rolleyes:

So please explain why Bush was expected to fix everything Katrina related quickly, but Obama is getting a pass while the flow of oil hasn’t even been stopped yet.

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[QUOTE=1bad65;1017226]Ah, but now your liberal arguments can be used against you. :smiley:

See, secondhand smoke and pollution kill people, right? You liberals have been saying for decades it does, it just takes a long time. Well, this oil is giving people health problems that may well have long-term health effects, maybe even death. And don’t forget food poisoning. Almost 1/3 of the Gulf’s fishing areas are now off-limits as of today due to the fear of tainted seafood (31%).

Remember, once Katrina was over, the dying was over. But it was still Bush’s job to clean it up, buy people new homes, find them jobs, etc. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I have yet to see any reports of the oil spill itself affecting people’s health adversely (though I could be wrong). I have seen reports alleging that the chemical dispersants being used are causing sickness. I’m not saying that the spill will not have an effect, though I suspect it will be more as a result of the damage to the ecosystem rather than a direct impact to the health of the residents on the Gulf Coast.

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[QUOTE=1bad65;1017226]Ah, but now your liberal arguments can be used against you. :smiley:

See, secondhand smoke and pollution kill people, right? You liberals have been saying for decades it does, it just takes a long time.[/QUOTE]

So, do you believe that second hand smoke and pollution do not pose health risks?

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[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1017228]I have yet to see any reports of the oil spill itself affecting people’s health adversely (though I could be wrong).[/QUOTE]

Not to be a ****, but you must not be reading the news lately. Both CNN and FoxNews had it as headlines on their webpages last week.

[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1017231]So, do you believe that second hand smoke and pollution do not pose health risks?[/QUOTE]

Pollution, yes. Secondhand smoke, no.

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[QUOTE=1bad65;1017236]
Pollution, yes. Secondhand smoke, no.[/QUOTE]

I give up, the internet wins.

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[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1017391]I give up, the internet wins.[/QUOTE]

never give up! the internet can’t win by virtue of ubiquitous ignorance.

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No, it has won.

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I think Obama is getting the heat put on him now and will only worsen as the short term and long term effects of the spill/leak take hold and become evident.
This thread began with a post of Carville, a former Dem advisor and current Louisiana resident, effectively berating Obama and the current administration for not taking action, or at least taking too late an action on the crisis. Though this post may be just another 1bad attack on Obama and anything not hard line repub, I think much of what he’s stated in regard to the oil spill is fair, and arguably how much, if not most of the country, feels about it right now.

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1017394]never give up! the internet can’t win by virtue of ubiquitous HILARITY[/QUOTE]

Fixed that for you!

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[QUOTE=brothernumber9;1017403]Though this post may be just another 1bad attack on Obama and anything not hard line repub, I think much of what he’s stated in regard to the oil spill is fair, and arguably how much, if not most of the country, feels about it right now.[/QUOTE]

I’m not alone, you are correct. Just today, Spike Lee and Dick Morris chimed in as well.

Spike Lee article:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/02/obama.oil.spill.tone/index.html?hpt=T2

Dick Morris article: (link will only work if you replace the **** with the letters ‘dick’)
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/****-morris/100913-obama-doesnt-have-a-clue

Morris had some real zingers:
“And the truth begins to dawn on all of us: Obama has no more idea how to work his way out of the economic mess into which his policies have plunged us than he does about how to clean up the oil spill that is destroying our southern coastline.”

“America is getting the point that its president doesnt have a clue.”

"Some presidents have failed because of their stubbornness (Johnson and Bush-43). Others because of their character flaws (Clinton and Nixon). Still others because of their insensitivity to domestic problems (Bush-41). But now we have a president who is failing because he is incompetent. It is Jimmy Carter all over again.

Who would have thought that this president, so anxious to lead us and so focused on his specific agenda and ideas, would turn out not to know what he is doing?"

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Anyone who characterizes Bush-41 as a failure due to “stubbornness” can be safely disregarded as a political hack.

Bush-41 failed as a President because he led, cajoled, lied, and subborned his country into a pointless war.

Remember 1Bad65.. Obama doesn’t have to “succeed” to succeed. He just has to not mess up as badly as the poster-child for the Neo-Cons/GOP did (i.e. Bush-43).

And on that count he’s WAY WAY AHEAD of the curve.

He will run in 2012, and be re-elected most likely. That’s the reality. The American public repudiated the policies of the far Right in favor of someone who is a center-left politician.

That’s the reality. People crossed the “party lines” to vote for him because they hated what the GOP had done do our country, our soldiers, our economy, and our social contract.

That’s the reality. Stop whining and trying to drag down someone you disagree with just because you buy into the Rush/Beck/Hannity/Faux News talking points.

Obama is MISTER PRESIDENT. That’s how it is. That’s the reality.

You are basically whining that Obama wasn’t wading in the oil from day one declaring victory. If he had you’d be whining he didn’t achieve victory. If he basically came out and said “BP will be destroyed as a company for this” you’d rant about him being a socialist trying to destroy business.

Absolutely NOTHING Obama does would satisfy you, short of him betraying the platform that DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED HIM.

So basically either Obama is a hypocrite who does a 180 on everything and acts like the Republicans that the American people voted out..

OR You are going to hate on him all day long for everything.

The GOP lost. Obama won. That’s the reality. Get some testicular fortitude and let the democratically elected WINNER of the election do his job. You will have your chance to vote for the party of corporate corruption in a few more years.

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[QUOTE=1bad65;1017236]Not to be a ****, but you must not be reading the news lately. Both CNN and FoxNews had it as headlines on their webpages last week.[/QUOTE]

Then please post a link as I have been unable to find anything blaming the reports of illness on the oil. The chemicals being used to disperse the oil yes, but not the oil itself.

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[QUOTE=Reality_Check;1017551]Then please post a link as I have been unable to find anything blaming the reports of illness on the oil. The chemicals being used to disperse the oil yes, but not the oil itself.[/QUOTE]

Here:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/03/gulf.fishermans.wife/index.html?hpt=C1

And stop playing semantics. Whether its the oil or the clean up chemicals, the point is they are getting sick. I thought you liberals cared about people getting sick, not arguing semantics over how they got sick.

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[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1017510]Anyone who characterizes Bush-41 as a failure due to “stubbornness” can be safely disregarded as a political hack.

Bush-41 failed as a President because he led, cajoled, lied, and subborned his country into a pointless war.[/QUOTE]

Do what?!?! Are you saying Iraq didn’t invade Kuwait? Because that’s why Bush-41 said we fought the Iraq War, to get the Iraqis out of Kuwait.

[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1017510]Remember 1Bad65.. Obama doesn’t have to “succeed” to succeed. [/QUOTE]

LMFAO at this!!! Way to lower the bar. :rolleyes: I guess GM, Chrysler, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, AIG, etc all ‘succeeded’ too.

[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1017510]He just has to not mess up as badly as the poster-child for the Neo-Cons/GOP did (i.e. Bush-43).

And on that count he’s WAY WAY AHEAD of the curve.[/QUOTE]

How so? He has added to the debt at a faster pace than any previous President. Unemployment is up over 35% since Bush left office. And now we find out his healthcare program is going to cost double what he said it would.

You’re really embarrassing yourself and showing what a partisan hack you are. I’ve openly said GW Bush was nowhere near perfect, but here you type ‘he doesnt have to succeed to succeed’ in relation to your guy. And you guys say I’m the one who is blindly devoted to one side of the political spectrum.

[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1017510]He will run in 2012, and be re-elected most likely. That’s the reality. The American public repudiated the policies of the far Right in favor of someone who is a center-left politician.[/QUOTE]

You do realize he now has a ~42% approval rating, right? Sounds like a shoe-in to me. :rolleyes:

After November, you be sure and come on here and tell us how the American public repudiated the policies of the far right. :smiley:

And if you say Obama is a “center-left” politician, can you give us an example of who you say is a “far left” politician?

[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1017510]That’s the reality. People crossed the “party lines” to vote for him because they hated what the GOP had done do our country, our soldiers, our economy, and our social contract.[/QUOTE]

You are right that independant voters voted for him in droves. But have you seen how those voters are now leaving him at a rapid pace?

[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1017510]That’s the reality. Stop whining and trying to drag down someone you disagree with just because you buy into the Rush/Beck/Hannity/Faux News talking points.[/QUOTE]

But ‘he doesn’t have to succeed to succeed’ is not a leftist talking point. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1017510]You are basically whining that Obama wasn’t wading in the oil from day one declaring victory. If he had you’d be whining he didn’t achieve victory. If he basically came out and said “BP will be destroyed as a company for this” you’d rant about him being a socialist trying to destroy business.[/QUOTE]

Can you F’N read??? I’ve actually said I’m pointing out hypocracy, and that honestly it’s not the Federal Government’s problem. Please, please, stop putting words in my mouth. You are either putting words in my mouth, or you are too ignorant to be able to read and comprehend my posts. Which is it?

[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1017510] The GOP lost. Obama won. That’s the reality. Get some testicular fortitude and let the democratically elected WINNER of the election do his job. You will have your chance to vote for the party of corporate corruption in a few more years.[/QUOTE]

Again, proving you are a hack. If the GOP is the party of corporate corruption, please explain how BP Oil gave Obama more money than any other candidate…

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Why are we blaming Obama for something that, by federal law, is solely BP’s responsibility?

At any rate, word from my comrades is that they are on call right now.

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And let’s put this into the context of a previous oil spill under Fmr Pres HW Bush. Katrina wasn’t the same thing, so the results were different.

Washington (CNN) – Nearly seven weeks into the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster, the Obama administration is facing increasing calls to take over the cleanup operation from beleaguered oil giant BP.

While the government has the legal means of doing that, the consequences might ultimately hurt the government.

On Tuesday, Attorney General Eric Holder announced the Justice Department has launched a criminal and civil investigation into devastating spill and BP’s actions. He said the investigation, which began weeks ago, would be comprehensive and aggressive. He also said federal officials will prosecute anyone who broke the law.

CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said an intervention into the cleanup would only hurt the government’s litigation against BP.

"Undoubtedly, one of the defenses of the BP people here, both the corporation and the individuals involved, is going to be, ‘Hey, the federal government was involved with this every step of the way. You knew what we were doing. You approved it. You approved all our actions. How can you turn around and prosecute us?’ "

Toobin added that while BP’s potential argument might be politically infuriating, it is actually a good legal argument in court, “which would make a case like this pretty difficult to prove.”

President George H.W. Bush, during the Exxon Valdez tanker spill off the coast of Alaska in 1989, turned down a request by Alaska’s governor to declare the incident a major disaster. That declaration, under the Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, would commit federal resources and control over the cleanup efforts.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, the rationale for the turndowns was that a declaration by Bush “would hinder the government’s litigation against Exxon that promised substantial compensation for the incident.”

Make sense now?

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I think many Americans thought alike when hearing Obama talk about bringing the troops home, getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan, ending war, and focusing a little more on domestic issues, particularly the credit crisis at the time, that “yeah he’s our guy”. At least a little bit more popular than McCain.

Within the first 3 months, Obama came out fairly strong, taking point and acting on some needed legislation, even if not entirely satisfactory, was at least taking progressive action in the public eye.
Granted, I feel Obama stepped into the worst set of crisis possibly of all time, or at least since probably Kennedy, and seem to just continually compound, but his actions since the stimulus package have begun leaning toward failure. The bank bailouts, abuse of executive priveledges regarding military action, no clear exit strategy from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, ominous health care reform, and now the Oil spill in the gulf to which, even if he doesn’t necessarily have any real power to act on it, didn’t give any confidence to the public, particularly Louisiana and Florida, that everything possible was being done.

I certainly don’t envy his job and the tasks set out before him, but if he doesn’t step up his game by the end of 2nd Qtr 2011, I don’t believe he will win re-election.

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[QUOTE=1bad65;1017641]

You’re really embarrassing yourself and showing what a partisan hack you are. I’ve openly said GW Bush was nowhere near perfect, but here you type ‘he doesnt have to succeed to succeed’ in relation to your guy. And you guys say I’m the one who is blindly devoted to one side of the political spectrum.[/QUOTE]

You keep forgetting man.. it’s not that Obama is great.. it’s that the GOP lied and lead us into war and because of it I loathe them and all their works.

I’d vote for a card-carrying member of the communist party with three wives and a criminal record for statutory rape and a history of addiction before I’d vote for a Republican.

Bush-43 was just that bad. The GOP has earned the hate. They had their little warmonger party and now they gotta pay. Every election.. till I stop voting most likely.

Obama ain’t Bush-43. He hasn’t STARTED any wars and he’s trying to fix the mess left by the last guy. He’s doing just fine.

No starting of wars, guy works hard, trys to fix all the GOP’s f*ckups… that’s a success to me.

See how low that bar is? All you gotta do is get elected, not start any d*mn wars, and be a hard worker and you are better than the Wolf Boy and Daddy Warbucks.

Weird how Cheney hasn’t been all over the news cycle since Deepwater exploded. Guess he might not want to answer questions about his multimillion dollar “goodbye present” from Halliburton eh?

I’ll be honest.. I can’t wait for Bush to die (of natural causes). I need to **** on his grave.