[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1156086]true. we gotta learn like they did in the movie Equilibrium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPD6TbYVbNc[/QUOTE]
LOL!!! i bow before the master…
hahahahah nice!
[QUOTE=dirtyrat;1156081]ah, but if you can’t provide videos of said events then they’re not really evidence… 
the only thing i’ll say about TCMA as a realistic modern martial art is that the practice of ancients weapons like swords and spears, while fun, are not readily applicable in today’s world of firearms. knives and clubs defense and use would still be valid however.[/QUOTE]
Yes…you are right, I may not be able to prove it to the haters. However it is proof enough for me and that’s all that really counts.
[QUOTE=Drake;1156036][B]CLF is MMA, actually.
TCMA is, by definition, MMA, because over the years, they were all influenced by others.[/B]
Only a dude who lived on a mountain fighting nobody else has a pure art. Otherwise, it’s only natural we take what works from other styles.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that everything today is JKD? I agree with that many people have multiple MA training and end up with a “MIXED MARTIAL ARTS” system they practice.
The only thing I would disaggree with is that TCMA is MMA. In the past masters would complete an entire CMA system then… maybe move off to learn another CMA system. Some of them blended their arts together and evolution turned them into a brand new style.
Todays people just learn a little Judo… and a little Choy Lee Fut… and maybe some BJJ. Put that all together and you get a hodge podge of MMA. Same like JKD, not to dis on any JKD players, but adding a technique from Wing Chun and a little Kali and a little escrima is the same thing, a Hodge Podge of MMA.
My humble opinion is to stick something until you have a good unerstanding of the theory and principle before you discard it and move on to something else.
ginosifu
[QUOTE=dirtyrat;1156081]ah, but if you can’t provide videos of said events then they’re not really evidence…
the only thing i’ll say about TCMA as a realistic modern martial art is that the practice of ancients weapons like swords and spears, while fun, are not readily applicable in today’s world of firearms. knives and clubs defense and use would still be valid however.[/QUOTE]
That is arguable.
If you can use a sword for combat, you can use tree branch for combat.
If you can use a spear/staff for combat, you can use a broom handle or a pool stick, etc for combat.
Not to mention the training it gives the body is very applicable to empty hand fighting. Shrugs
Not every fight involves guns. In fact I have never had a (real) gun drawn on me. I am sure others have though. :o
[QUOTE=Neeros;1156138]That is arguable.
If you can use a sword for combat, you can use tree branch for combat.
If you can use a spear/staff for combat, you can use a broom handle or a pool stick, etc for combat.
Not to mention the training it gives the body is very applicable to empty hand fighting. Shrugs
Not every fight involves guns. In fact I have never had a (real) gun drawn on me. I am sure others have though. :o[/QUOTE]
anything is arguable ;).
sword use is a bit different than using a tree branch/club… though i agree on the point of staff use.
the point i was trying to make is rather than practicing sword or spear forms, why not make the training more direct for today’s modern needs… tradition is a wonderful thing, but tradition was made to benefit people. we shouldn’t be slaves to tradition.
[QUOTE=ginosifu;1156113]Yes…you are right, I may not be able to prove it to the haters. However it is proof enough for me and that’s all that really counts.
Are you saying that everything today is JKD? I agree with that many people have multiple MA training and end up with a “MIXED MARTIAL ARTS” system they practice.
The only thing I would disaggree with is that TCMA is MMA. In the past masters would complete an entire CMA system then… maybe move off to learn another CMA system. Some of them blended their arts together and evolution turned them into a brand new style.
Todays people just learn a little Judo… and a little Choy Lee Fut… and maybe some BJJ. Put that all together and you get a hodge podge of MMA. Same like JKD, not to dis on any JKD players, but adding a technique from Wing Chun and a little Kali and a little escrima is the same thing, a Hodge Podge of MMA.
My humble opinion is to stick something until you have a good unerstanding of the theory and principle before you discard it and move on to something else.
ginosifu[/QUOTE]
CLF is a mix of styles. Not going into the specifics of the history, because it always starts a threadjack, but CLF was born out of several different styles. The name alone is a representative of three different teachers, each with three different backgrounds.
MMA is really just a play with semantics, same with TCMA. If MMA is literally mixed martial arts, then every style in the world is MMA. There isn’t a single style out there that doesn’t borrow something from another. And if this did exist, then it would be ineffective against most anything else, because they failed to humble themselves to the prospect that someone else figured out how to do something better.
TCMA IS MMA.
I am a TCMA.
I have practical AND sport combat experience.
I also have experience and ranking in NON TCMA ( Boxing,Kyokushin, MT, Judo, BJJ, etc…).
What is Kung Fu to me?
What are TCMA do me?
Fighting at its base and core level ( one must fight to be a fighter and one must first be a fighter before he can be a martial artist).
But that is just the beginning of TCMA.
The problem is that too many people don’t do enough of fighting and too m any people think that fighting is all there is to MA.
This argument is as tired as grandmas tits
are we collectively so thick that we can’t move onto another subject after all these years? what a waste of time.
Martial ability is in the hands.
I don’t really give buy in to much of what people say here and i don’t expect buy in from anyone either.
But I know stupid when I see it. 
[QUOTE=Dale Dugas;1155960]
I really have no idea how to respond to people who think fighting in a ring in bike tights with rules is somehow a better representation of fighting skills than a street fight where there are no rules.
[/QUOTE]
Relativity is how.
Beating up a drunk bum vs squaring off against a well trained, martial athlete with at least 8 to 10 years devoted to beating your a$$.
Also, relative size.
A self-made famous internal master had made a career posting about his tough ghetto thug life, tons of video of Kung Fu wizardry against students drilling… offered to fight a similar sized MMAer. Not interested anymore.
You become better by competing. It is this way in all things (gold, surfing, business, war)… you become the best by beating the best, not by talking about it. There’s tons of bums drinking beer last night watching the Super Bawl talking about their high school glory days. The best guys are on the field… they always are.
Now for my definition of “Kung Fu.”
A system of ancient Chinese-originated Martial Arts that were brought to the west by its weakest practicers (southern, broke, peasants) and followed by Westerners turned on by Kung Fu flicks, martial arts in general but not willing to participate in combat aspects of the style, represented universally as grappling, boxing or kick boxing sports.
[QUOTE=ginosifu;1156113]Yes…you are right, I may not be able to prove it to the haters. However it is proof enough for me and that’s all that really counts.
Are you saying that everything today is JKD? I agree with that many people have multiple MA training and end up with a “MIXED MARTIAL ARTS” system they practice.
The only thing I would disaggree with is that TCMA is MMA. In the past masters would complete an entire CMA system then… maybe move off to learn another CMA system. Some of them blended their arts together and evolution turned them into a brand new style.
Todays people just learn a little Judo… and a little Choy Lee Fut… and maybe some BJJ. Put that all together and you get a hodge podge of MMA. Same like JKD, not to dis on any JKD players, but adding a technique from Wing Chun and a little Kali and a little escrima is the same thing, a Hodge Podge of MMA.
My humble opinion is to stick something until you have a good unerstanding of the theory and principle before you discard it and move on to something else.
ginosifu[/QUOTE]
Hodgepodge of Judo, Choy Lee Fut, & BJJ > “pure single style” CMA.
O = hippie…NOT!!!
[QUOTE=Subitai;1155956]But not to be mistaken for a hippie, I’m always ready at the drop of a hat to throw down with anyone who steps in my face. [/QUOTE] ROFLMAO. Seriously, bro, that quote made my Monday.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1156231]ROFLMAO. Seriously, bro, that quote made my Monday.[/QUOTE]
Ok, in hindsite I realize that someone like you would know vastly more about what are TRUE hippies and whom are not.
…Since in addition to arresting hundreds of them you probably also partied with Triple that number!!!
Hahahahaha,
“O”
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;1156216]Relativity is how.
Beating up a drunk bum vs squaring off against a well trained, martial athlete with at least 8 to 10 years devoted to beating your a$$.
Also, relative size.
A self-made famous internal master had made a career posting about his tough ghetto thug life, tons of video of Kung Fu wizardry against students drilling… offered to fight a similar sized MMAer. Not interested anymore.
You become better by competing. It is this way in all things (gold, surfing, business, war)… you become the best by beating the best, not by talking about it. There’s tons of bums drinking beer last night watching the Super Bawl talking about their high school glory days. The best guys are on the field… they always are.[/QUOTE]
Are you referring to Black Taoist? If I’m not mistaken a couple of years back he had invited you (the bulldog on a leash) to visit him and immediately you went kitty kitty…have visited him since then? If you have not then common sense would dictate that you should rather keep quiet instead of being the hypocrit you are…just saying
[QUOTE=Gru Bianca;1156376]Are you referring to Black Taoist? If I’m not mistaken a couple of years back he had invited you (the bulldog on a leash) to visit him and immediately you went kitty kitty…have visited him since then? If you have not then common sense would dictate that you should rather keep quiet instead of being the hypocrit you are…just saying[/QUOTE]
Black Taoist is 6’7"? 6/8"? I’m 5’10.
Are you his manager? What kind of odds will you give me?
Before I was tied to a school and politics… now I’m off the leash.
[QUOTE=Gru Bianca;1156376]Are you referring to Black Taoist? If I’m not mistaken a couple of years back he had invited you (the bulldog on a leash) to visit him and immediately you went kitty kitty…have visited him since then? If you have not then common sense would dictate that you should rather keep quiet instead of being the hypocrit you are…just saying[/QUOTE]
Did Black Taoist challenge folks below his weight class and then duck an MMAer? Is that what you’re asking me?
As far as my personal experience with him there was some drama with a student of his that also trained with my old teacher. This student caused problems with the “he said” “she said.”
Black Taoist did pay a visit during the day to my master… who was 65 years old at the time (very brave).
At the time I was a member of a school and could not speak or act freely… I’m off the leash today.
Do you represent Mr. Taoist? Are you his manager? Is Mr. Taoist interested in some sanctioned activity?
I have never heard the word “sanctioned” so much in my entire life. It’s getting old.
I mean I do understand your caution about talking crap to someone without a ref handy to keep you from serious injury. :D:D:D
Busting your chops Ray.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;1156386]Did Black Taoist challenge folks below his weight class and then duck an MMAer? Is that what you’re asking me?
As far as my personal experience with him there was some drama with a student of his that also trained with my old teacher. This student caused problems with the “he said” “she said.”
Black Taoist did pay a visit during the day to my master… who was 65 years old at the time (very brave).
At the time I was a member of a school and could not speak or act freely… I’m off the leash today.
Do you represent Mr. Taoist? Are you his manager? Is Mr. Taoist interested in some sanctioned activity?[/QUOTE]
I’m a nobody just someone noticing your incongruencies and your hypocrisy, that’s all
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;1156386]
As far as my personal experience with him there was some drama with a student of his that also trained with my old teacher. This student caused problems with the “he said” “she said.”[/QUOTE]
If I’m not mistaken, some of that was getting kicked off around the time of the Wong Fei Hung Tournament in New Jersey circa 2002~2003.
A lot of us were at that event:
Me, O, TenTigers, BT, maoshan, meltdawn, and a bunch of others.
small world.
[QUOTE=Yao Sing;1156388]I have never heard the word “sanctioned” so much in my entire life. It’s getting old.
p[/QUOTE]
Well, we can take the word of the sifu’s who have students schooling MMAers away at college, the teachers who have bounced, been stabbed, etc… or we can rely on irrefutable facts such as listed fighters, their records and how they won or lost.
You can have a 6’9" man challenge 5’4" 65 year old… or you can go square off with equally sized men eager to fight.
Its like anything else. If you think you’re good at golf, tennis, surfing, baseball… you go compete in sanctioned events. You get bored of abusing regulars. You push your level.
Don’t make fun of it. If it was easy you’d have done it. One of you would go do it to shut me up.