I was listening to Joe Rogan speak on the Beatdown about Cung Le’s style.
He says he is thoroughly impressed with him and described his style as reminicient of Tae Kwon Do, but incorporating power into strikes that would traditionally be lighter in a point fighting match.
Another thing people are noticing is that Cung takes a South paw stance. I wonder if he is actually left handed.
If not those side thrust kicks he does with his lead leg are being done with the power leg, making his style very unorthydox and deadly.
Tony Fryklund is going to be icing his bruises every day for the next week.
As for CMA purity, I’m not interested in whether or not an MMA fighter is a purist but rather if the are using CMA techniques effectively.
If you throw a spinning back fist or spinning heel kick effectively and you learned it from Kung Fu training than you are using Kung Fu, regardless of whether you are an All-American Wrestler or train in BJJ to defend on the ground.
If you throw a spinning back fist or spinning heel kick effectively and you learned it from Kung Fu training than you are using Kung Fu…
Bull.
You would be using your leg/foot.
No one grabs “kung fu” takes it into the ring, and bashes people with it.
“Kung fu” is merely a collection of chinese training methods.
When someone gets a tap from a headlock, they are not using “grappling” they are using their arm to choke the opponent. What if you learn a “kung fu” technique from some random American that trained in China for a year?Is it still “kung fu” when you then train your ass off and pull out the technique after having never stepped foot into a Kung Fu school?
Another thing people are noticing is that Cung takes a South paw stance. I wonder if he is actually left handed.
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san shou/san da was originally all done south paw. As we’ve moved into the “kickboxing world” we’ve all switch to “orthodox” but Cung reverted back it seems because he knows how to use it and it is messing with a lot of the MMA guys
[QUOTE=yenhoi;774484]If you throw a spinning back fist or spinning heel kick effectively and you learned it from Kung Fu training than you are using Kung Fu…
Bull.
You would be using your leg/foot.
No one grabs “kung fu” takes it into the ring, and bashes people with it.
“Kung fu” is merely a collection of chinese training methods.
When someone gets a tap from a headlock, they are not using “grappling” they are using their arm to choke the opponent. What if you learn a “kung fu” technique from some random American that trained in China for a year?Is it still “kung fu” when you then train your ass off and pull out the technique after having never stepped foot into a Kung Fu school?
Craziness.
Styles do not fight.
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Funny you say that but give credit to Muay Thai when it is a Muay Thai technique. If that is the case, just say it was a kick, or a punch, or flying serpent pulls out his ***** and shines opponents head with it (that can be found in Wing Chun) DOUBLE STANDARD.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;774401]only because you CMA freaks swear he is a pure cma when he is not. 10 years + of wrestling, san shou, muay thai, black belt in tkd and kung fu training does NOT equal pure kung fu. If you let go of the pure cma dreamworld and see that, then there would be no issue at all.
LOL, I knew you or someone would bring him up. He has trained FMA all his life, but I digress…remember in his post here he said himself that he did use hung gar and that fma is forever ingrained in him also. still not pure cma. He is a cma though - that’s not what I debate about.[/QUOTE]
Seven,
I think the original thread was what techniques does he use from Kung Fu, not that he is a pure CMA. I think anyone who knows anything about Cung Le knows he is not pure CMA, but trying to credit the fact that he does use techniques found in Kung Fu. Regardless of what you say seven, flying serpent shines his ***** on opponent’s head is part of Kung Fu. The technique is brilliant, really.
I saw a WEC fight with Alix Karolexis. Don’t remember who he was fighting, but he ended up loosing a point for stoming him in the stomache when his opponant was on the ground. Alex tried to throw an axe kick but failed due to fatigue. “Real kung fu” would not have called it a failed ax kick. It would have been a very deliberate stomp, and probably not to the belly, to hell with the lost point.
I was trying to figure out what he was talking about. I liked his answer though.
honestly, does it really matter. The guy has a collective background in MA. He trains hard for what he has acomplished. If he uses whatever techniques so be it. Styles are going to claim whatever they can, to bolster themselves, in the end all that matters is he is talented and uses his techniques efficently. He’s fun to watch.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;774516]I was trying to figure out what he was talking about. I liked his answer though.
honestly, does it really matter. The guy has a collective background in MA. He trains hard for what he has acomplished. If he uses whatever techniques so be it. Styles are going to claim whatever they can, to bolster themselves, in the end all that matters is he is talented and uses his techniques efficently. He’s fun to watch.[/QUOTE]
I agree, styles are going to claim what they are going to claim. But you will find that fighters that are trained thuroughly in a spacific will have similar fighting stratagy to other fighters of that discipline. And a “kung fu” discipline is very, very likely to make the winning strike regaurdless of wether it is “legal”. Alix is a messy fighter, stragagy wise, but a great technition. It’s always fun to watch him fight because you know he’s going to get alot of warnings, loose points, or get tapped or KO’ed for doeing something risky…
I think the original thread was what techniques does he use from Kung Fu, not that he is a pure CMA. I think anyone who knows anything about Cung Le knows he is not pure CMA, but trying to credit the fact that he does use techniques found in Kung Fu. Regardless of what you say seven, flying serpent shines his ***** on opponent’s head is part of Kung Fu. The technique is brilliant, really.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I know - that post was only for MK, since in the past we have both been in on discussions about cung le being a pure cma guy, and MK brought up my position on it.
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;774496]Funny you say that but give credit to Muay Thai when it is a Muay Thai technique. If that is the case, just say it was a kick, or a punch, or flying serpent pulls out his ***** and shines opponents head with it (that can be found in Wing Chun) DOUBLE STANDARD.[/QUOTE]
Actually, No I don’t… I really don’t care if a technique is muay thai or not. I was drawing a parallel since you mentioned that kung fu had those techniques - muay thai has the same techniques and he trained it, so how do you know which he was intending to use? Why would it matter?
[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;774796]Wow, they took the fight down already![/QUOTE]
Say What?
Dailymotion is usually not that stuck up. I had it on my account and they took it down there too. You know what…I’m going to put it in a megaupload link. Anyone who wants it can get it from there.
