“In contrast to methods like judo or aikido (where the objective is to subdue your opponent without harm), the lin wan kuen method calls for maximum aggression…”
people always tend to make this assumption about judo because it is called the “gentle way” - this is a misnomer. Judo is VERY aggressive, attacking combinations, grip fighting, feinting, etc. and has one of the highest rates of injury due to this. The primary principle is maximum efficiency, or “maximum result with minimum effort” but one look at ANY judo shiai will show that judo is far from gentle.
people always tend to make this assumption about judo because it is called the “gentle way” - this is a misnomer. Judo is VERY aggressive, attacking combinations, grip fighting, feinting, etc. and has one of the highest rates of injury due to this. The primary principle is maximum efficiency, or “maximum result with minimum effort” but one look at ANY judo shiai will show that judo is far from gentle.
When kano created judo he changed the technique to be less dangerous to the competitors. Although I’m positive a judo practitoner could really hurt someone that isn’t the overall philosophy of the system. The idea is to defeat the opponent with relatively little injury in competition. This is in contrast to Hon Jerng Lin Wan Kuen where the idea is to inflict as much damage as possible (even to the point of being excessive). I think To Hon Jerng focused on this due to his experience during WW2.
No offense is meant to either judo or akido practitoners. I’m not saying either of the systems are inferior. I was only pointing out the diferences in th overall philosophy of the systems.
I don’t take it in an offensive way at all. just discussion. this is, IMO, one of those instances where application overshadows philosophy, because the pholosophy merely represents the ideal. Kano took out the more “dangerous” techniques so that his students could spar. In those days, sparring was uncommon in the traditional jujutsu. the techniques he left in the system theoretically are safe to practice at high speed randori. However, I’ve seen many non trained people’s head slammed into the ground after a throw. I’ve seen trained guys with collar bones broken, ribs broken, ligaments torn… so even though the ideal is safety, it’s actually far from that.
I guess it can also be considered gentle from a pugilism standpoint, as the focus is not on strikes, so your entry on your opponent will not rely on attacking with strikes and softening him up, as muay thai would, for example. In that respect, I can see it as gentle.
that being said, if ya wanna see what to me is the best grappling out there, check this out. Full body throw,right into submission, no fights lasting more than eight seconds. To me, this totally blows the doors off BJJ.http://youtube.com/watch?v=4u41omoNO4U
Nice clip. I wouldn’t say it blows the doors off of bjj though. Remember, they edited that clip together. In general, there are more standups than submissions, IME. Judo is supposed to be fast paced. If you are standing and go more than 10 seconds without attacking, you will be penalized for stalling. If you are on the ground, you generally have between 10 and 20 seconds to secure a pin or submission. If the judge senses no progress is being made, he will stand you back up. Consequently, the ground portion isn’t drawn out like it is in bjj. Judo fans want to see stand up - they want to see the “big ippon” - big throws that send the opponent onto his back. Consequently, time to grapple is limited.
On a side note, those fights are more than 8 seconds. As I mentioned, they were edited. Judo matches are 5 mins long. They edited out everything before the submission.
you are correct about the editing. There was a different clip I had seen that went from standup to full body throw to submissions-of course these were the best of the best as far as bout go, but breathtaking, nonetheless.