haha…you lost.
Did somebody just say something?
not to you.
I don’t know but I keep seeing this message:
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What do you think it means? 
it means you poosied out.
not very choy lee fut.
but this means i don’t have to hear from that knuckle head from now on!?!?!?!?!?!?!
let’s party.
to ben gash…
GOOOOOOOOOOOD BYEEEE AND GOOOOOOD RIDDENS.
SUCKA.
I don’t know, maybe if you ignore them they’ll just go away
no way we wont go away.
bunch of sissies.
that was weak how fu pow punked out like that.
hey frank
when the hell is your book coming out
wow uve replyed to my posts, ive been waiting for it
hows bout replying to my other posts
im jordan and i do buck sing choy lay fut
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anyways,
if anyone’s open for discussion…
this is a section on Koon Pak based on Chan Family records found on wikipedia:
Chan Koon Pak 1857-1916
Chan Koon Pak was the second son of Chan Heung , founder of Choy Li Fut Kung Fu. After his elderly brother Chan On Pak passed away, he carried on the banner of the system. In the beginning, Chan Koon Pak wanted to become a merchant in the city of Kong Moon (modern day Jiang Men). His friends and family members persuaded him to teach the system of Choy Li Fut founder by his father. Under the constant pressure and encouragement, in 1898 he finally took the position to be the chief instructor of the Hung Sing School of Jiang Men at the Wong clan family temple opened by Chan Cheong Mo. He produced many out standing students in Jiang Men before he moved to Canton in 1906 (today known as Guangzhou). He appointed Chan Cheong Mo to take over the Hung Sing School in Jiang Men.
In Canton, many well-known local kung fu masters requested Chan Koon Pak accept them as students. He opened the Choy Li Fut School in Canton. When he decided to retire, his son Chan Yiu Chi continued to teach in Canton.
now this is in regards to whom Chan Kwoon Pak learned Choy Lee Fut from. According the Chan records, and as i’ve commented before the (see above highlighted areas) Koon Pak may have learned from Jeong Hung Sing.
Now, Koon Pak was born in 1857, but never learned gung fu from his father, moved to Kong Moon to become a merchant. So, his father (chan heung) passed away in 1875 when Koon Pak was only 18 years old. In saying this, Koon Pak NEVER learned CLF from his father.
However, in 1898 after the constant pressure to open a school in his fathers honor…he still had to learn CLF from somewhere. Once again, according to Chan Records Jeong Yim was assigned to take care of Koon Pak. So Koon Pak could have and actually may have learned Jeong Yim’s CLF, and that is why his schools “Hung Sing” or Heroic Victory is more similar to Jeong Yim’s Hung Sing, which i believe was originally Jeong Yim’s Hung Sing but Koon Pak changed their name to disassociate itself from Jeong Yim’s school which was known to be heavily involved with the Hung Mun. (in their —the chan clan----records Koon pak changed the name because of Lee Yan’s connection to the underworld.
Therefore, If Chan Koon Pak never learned from his father…shouldn’t he be placed under the one who taght him as opposed to being placed under his father—whom he never learned gung fu from?
what do you guys think about this.
Chinese custom dictates that on lineage charts you are placed beneath your father (if he did kung fu of course). This is why Chen Yong Fa is shown as being his father’s descendent when he learned from his grandfather.
how is this man choosing to ignore me yet he’s answering my post?
now is that contradiction for ya or what?
okay, mr gash…
however, Koon Pak never learned his from his father. and “who” actually taught him is up in the air.
I understand bloodline theories, but Chan Heung was not his sifu. He learned someone else’s CLF. Remember Chan Family taught their blood line the true CLF and passed down watered down stuff (maybe).
So, with no more blood relations to teach him he’s stepped off the family line and learned something else.
is it the bloodline that keeps him in place or what?
i know this is all empty,
but if Koon Pak never learned from his father, but somewhere down the line he was taught something…then possibly Chan Family CLF is not the real stuff passed down from chan Heung.
His other disciples may have taught what chan heung taught, but what about Koon Pak’s line…including Chan Yiu Chi?
Interesting, I did not know that.
you are only speaking of bloodline.
with Koon Pak in the bloodline it changes the direction in Chan Heung’s CLF.
I don’t see where it says Koon pak did not learn kung fu from his father.
I don’t see where it says jeong yim was assigned to take care of koon pak.
Where did you get this?
Yeah Frank…even if Chan Heung died when Chan Koon Pak was 18 there would be sufficient time.