does any body know about the style Ming Chuan? “see site below.” they seem to break with such ease,and as much as i have trained iron hand (4 yrs.), i can not break like that. any info on the style , or there iron hand training would be great. 
respectfully
Most of it looks real, so it probably is all real. I like the finger break with the red brick.
Yes. It is real.
They’re fake. Cheap Hollywood special effects. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Chief Fox;711575]They’re fake. Cheap Hollywood special effects. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I don’t really care about the breaking part. How did he get that one brick to float in air?
That’s TRUE skill. :yikes:
Best,
Kenton Sefcik
from the video his skill is very basic. While I have to see him in person to better judge however again the breaks are basic and not very impressive. He used a lot of spacers and many of the breaks he is lifting right before impact which are tricks and not true breaks.
If you are indeed properly trained and have true iron palm there are a few things which you can show to prove you are FOR REAL
- break a coconut.
- break a cinder slab or block with the center of the palm not the heel.
- break something using a waving action not force
- break somthing withgout letting your hand loose contact of the object you are breaking.
- stack 3 bricks togehter and break the middle one.
these are true skills just to name a few the many whom taught me REAL breaking showed me all the palor tricks thatr look like breaks and without knowing the diffeeence that can be presumed to be real
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;711603]from the video his skill is very basic. While I have to see him in person to better judge however again the breaks are basic and not very impressive. He used a lot of spacers and many of the breaks he is lifting right before impact which are tricks and not true breaks.
If you are indeed properly trained and have true iron palm there are a few things which you can show to prove you are FOR REAL
- break a coconut.
- break a cinder slab or block with the center of the palm not the heel.
- break something using a waving action not force
- break somthing withgout letting your hand loose contact of the object you are breaking.
- stack 3 bricks togehter and break the middle one.
these are true skills just to name a few the many whom taught me REAL breaking showed me all the palor tricks thatr look like breaks and without knowing the difference that can be presumed to be real[/QUOTE]
can you do those breaks with your fingers? 
i cant, so even if they aren’t “true” breaks they are still impressive. and you still need an enormous amount of finger strength.
Shaolinlueb, to answer your quesiton specifically NO.
I do not train that way with my fingers as I need the dexterity in them. And yes it requirers alot of finger strength but so does pushing it through a pop can I am not saying that they arent impressive to some but still basic in difficulty.
Nor do I train the knuckles with makiwara, rope around a tree or anthing else of that nature.
My hands are soft and uncaloused as I train only the palm. When a person performes a TRUE iron palm break they are using the luogong point in the center of the palm and are using qi to perfrom the break not force.
thus a slapping motion not very forceful as in mucular strength, you are simply concentraing the qi to a specific point then using it to penetrate the object. This can be done in its highest level with simple vibration without lifting or breaking contact with the object, though that level is seldom ever reached.
it depends entirely on the medium sued to fabricate the bricks.
for instance, brick can be made without mortar and hence be brittle and break with very little pressure force. when dried, they become even more brittle, the same goes for boards, which when used for breaking are often kiln dried soas to remove the moisture and render the board brittle.
these factors render most breaking demos moot.
notice the colouring of the slabs and bricks used. None of it looked like construction grade material. It looked like it was produced for the purpose of breaking demonstrations.
had he busted a cinder block, or a diveted construction grade red brick, i think it would have on the all round been a little more convincing of skill application.
It’s hard to tell much from a video. Having a cloth over doesn’t reveal much either.
David, you made me laugh then think… He did cover up the brick with a cloth LOL I talked to a guy several years ago who used to do this and I asked why and he said so i dont hurt my hand becuse the brick is rough.???
I had to laugh out loud when he said that and replied yeah you should stick to wood its softer…
Truth is there are a lot of fakes out there and others that simply muscle and use brute force to break, these are not true skills and not recognized by true palm players.
But when shown to the unskilled practioner they may appear amazing and skilled, but then so is pulling a rabbit out of your hat if you dont know the trick!
First, I would like to say that I am not sure if any of the bricks were ‘baked’ or not. They are certainly not ‘construction style’ bricks with glass, and other materials in them. That is obvious.
I’m more impressed that a guy with such a big gut can move like that! 
I think there are several issues at hand here;
When he is doing the ‘finger’ style breaks, there is a metal plate under the brick and most likely a ‘wedge’ directly under it as well. My guess it is metal as well. That will make the brick much easier to break.
A myriad of unusual materials make it kind of suspect, not to mention using uneven areas to break against, i.e., the rocky fence, natural rock formations, etc.
But,..He definatly has learned the skill of breaking along with the use of physics. You have to give him that.
Some of the breaks, I have never seen before. I’d have to try some of them in order to determine how difficult they are.
I think I will video tape myself doing a few over the next month or so,…looks like fun.
Sidebar: I have never tried to break a brick with my fingers. I can break three 1" boards (6" X 10" X 1") and can do 2 finger push ups (index and middle fingers). My best was about 30. I can also poke my fingers through 3/8" sheetrock and thrust one or two fingers at a time into a watermelon.
I can also (sometimes) break the send brick in a stack of two. (red construction style bricks). Sometimes it works, sometimes not. I should look into easier materials though.
a nobody, with no training, on average can snap through 3-5 spaced boards by simply swinging their forearm into it.
might get a bruise, might not. anyway, a couple of people have demonstrated this not only on the discovery channel when they did a series of shows that showed the physics of kungfu tricks on stage, but also physics of many martial arts tricks in general.
others have shown it as well.
not there there isn’t a skill, there is, but the line between skill and average does exist and is diminished in a lot of ways by the tricks that people just don’t think about or inhibit in their mind an ability to already do.
If u cant even do the breakings in this video, how can you proclaime them as non real..? I dont know if he prepared them before filming so they would break easier, I dont know anything about this guy. I’m asuming he’s real because I’ve seen these things myself and then some. But using space, and hitting with the hard parts of your hand is not fake! It’s common sense. Using no space is harder, but using space isn’t fake just because of that. It’s just another level. Also, finger breaking is not very basic at all. Sure his brick might not have been the most densest one, but who knows wtf he’ll be able to do in the future you know what I mean? Now, I’m not praising his skills at all but I think it’s rediculous to be so negative about someones skills you yourself can’t even do.
EarthDragon, how about you post some proof to your palm breakings? (Not using the root but the center of it). The difference between this guy and you is that you are a trash talker and critiziser of something you don’t have a clue about, and this guy is posting vids. What’s with the attitude, really?
[QUOTE=Kristoffer;711720]If u cant even do the breakings in this video, how can you proclaime them as non real..? I dont know if he prepared them before filming so they would break easier, I dont know anything about this guy. I’m asuming he’s real because I’ve seen these things myself and then some. But using space, and hitting with the hard parts of your hand is not fake! It’s common sense. Using no space is harder, but using space isn’t fake just because of that. It’s just another level. Also, finger breaking is not very basic at all. Sure his brick might not have been the most densest one, but who knows wtf he’ll be able to do in the future you know what I mean? Now, I’m not praising his skills at all but I think it’s rediculous to be so negative about someones skills you yourself can’t even do.
EarthDragon, how about you post some proof to your palm breakings? (Not using the root but the center of it). The difference between this guy and you is that you are a trash talker and critiziser of something you don’t have a clue about, and this guy is posting vids. What’s with the attitude, really?[/QUOTE]
Bravo!!! 
I agree.
I think the guy has some definate skill, as I mentioned above. Its hard to speculate as to wether or not the bricks/materials are very hard or not very hard.
Fact is; he does some impressive stuff and it shouldn’t be taken away from him.
And as far as spacers, yes; they make breaking eaiser, but if you have never broken 5 or 6 patio blocks WITH spacers before (not as easy as you think), you shouldn’t be talking smack. Everyone likes to talk about the spacers…
And Earthdragon, breaking a coconut has NOTHING to do with Iron palm skill. I was able to break one almost 20 years ago, and I hadn’t really done any palm training at all. I’m just strong and I didn’t flinch.
So whoever taught you and told you that breaking a coconut was an indication of iron palm skill, misled you. It clearly is not. Not to mention that ‘quack’ LACEY, breaks coconuts with his palm, and he clearly is devoid of any real skills.
Peace.
krisotfer,
EarthDragon, how about you post some proof to your palm breakings? (Not using the root but the center of it). The difference between this guy and you is that you are a trash talker and critiziser of something you don’t have a clue about, and this guy is posting vids. What’s with the attitude, really?
First off I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else on the internet . I am not a trash talker as you say, I just answered the question that FANWOO asked and stated my opinon and pointed the obvious. If you knew what you were talking about you would realize it as well. Your assumtion and ridiculous statement of me not having a clue what I am talking about makes you your words simple and full of nothing but disrespect. I am not saying anything bad about the guy just that his breaks were basic, whats wrong with that?
I studied iron plam under brian grey’s top student, since 1996 so if you know anything that should be proof enough. I think it is you who is the trash talker for you views always seem to be negative and disrespctful towards others.
David jamison I am talking about placing a towel over a coconut putting your hand on it then crushing it without your hand breaking contact. This is a very old and high level skill. I have seen it done just a few times, the other highest level break I saw was when a man stacked 3 tomatoes on top one another hit the stack and squished the middle one sending seeds all over the table without breaking the skin on the 1st and 3rd ones…
What is up with people who break stuff? What is the point really?
I saw an interview one time where a guy said that he could break coconuts. Then he said that coconuts are harder than a human skull. So he drew the conclusion that he could break a human skull. Of course a coconut isn’t wrapped in skin, muscle, filled with blood and containing a brain. The human skull also isn’t a brittle as a coconut either, so could he really break it? One last rant. This guy was claiming that he can break bones. Well aren’t his hands made out of bones? Wouldn’t the bones is his own hands be the first ones to break?
I guess that I understand breaking to a certain extent. Proper alignment, focus, form and technique. But when it gets to the point of all these multiple bricks, breaking with a very slight shin movement or breaking with your head. I just don’t get it. It’s all for show.
So I guess I’m saying that I’m not really all that impressed with people who break stuff.
Chief Fox
to compare a coconut to the skull is ridiculous dont know who claimed this but obviously it is untrue.
for someone to use thier breaking skills they are not using force perse, so NO you would not break the bones in your hand first. otherwise when people hit concrete and it is denser then metacarples then thier hands would be broken all the time. I use the center of the palm where there is little mass and quite soft but again I am not using force, nor does that hand sting after so many years then you reach a level where you simple twist the dantien and allow kinetic energy spiral outward from the hand, this break is high level and looks easy to do until you try it then you realize that they have reached a certain level and must be respected for it.
It is a true skill with many many years of practice to reach higher levels, and yes thier are showmen out there whom try to impress others with the look at what I can do things but it is truley part of your path with martial arts. Hell i am not impressed with someone who can perform a spinning jumping kick 8 feet in the air but I respect the pratice it took to do it…
I’m with Kristoffer. Looking forward to those vids Earthdragon!
BTW I can break a coconut with my ‘iron hammer’ technique. Very useful if you have a hammer handy and you like coconuts.
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;711649]Shaolinlueb, to answer your quesiton specifically NO.
I do not train that way with my fingers as I need the dexterity in them. And yes it requirers alot of finger strength but so does pushing it through a pop can I am not saying that they arent impressive to some but still basic in difficulty.
Nor do I train the knuckles with makiwara, rope around a tree or anthing else of that nature.
My hands are soft and uncaloused as I train only the palm. When a person performes a TRUE iron palm break they are using the luogong point in the center of the palm and are using qi to perfrom the break not force.
thus a slapping motion not very forceful as in mucular strength, you are simply concentraing the qi to a specific point then using it to penetrate the object. This can be done in its highest level with simple vibration without lifting or breaking contact with the object, though that level is seldom ever reached.[/QUOTE]
ED i was just pulling your leg, and thank you for asking my question seriously. cause i was actually asking you a serious one. and its david jamieson, if someone on this board is gonna argue its him 
(sorry david its true ). yes even the basic is hard.