Building strength the TCMA way

Tyler said it best…

Narrator: [looking at a Calvin Klein ad on a bus] Is that what a man looks like?
Tyler Durden: [laughs] Self-improvement is masturbation. Now self-destruction…

Body building is a form of masturbation - maybe it’s fun, but there’s no point. Ooh I lift to get big <cough *g@y cough> Who you trying to impress, other lifters - cuz that’s well - you know what that is. Besides - the hot women I know like fit men, they’re grossed out by the lifters.

Anyway - the strongest people I know are farmers and furniture movers - they don’t look like body builders.

Now if you’re doing curls to get better at defending a kimura - or you doing explosive bench to build fast twitch so you can master a transition - there’s something to gain by doing so. Bulking and bodybuilding - bah, it’s well, you know what it is.

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1132006]My daughter has the gymnast’s body. She doesn’t have much muscle, but I can’t do what she does.

http://natashawang.com/[/QUOTE]

No offense, but your daughter’s hot. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=IronFist;1131948]
But most martial artists aren’t even in that good of shape, so I really don’t think they have anything to worry about.
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Me swimming. I don’t lift weights, just Judo, Mantis, Jiu Jitsu, and old school exercises.

[QUOTE=MightyB;1132012]Narrator: [looking at a Calvin Klein ad on a bus] Is that what a man looks like?
Tyler Durden: [laughs] Self-improvement is masturbation. Now self-destruction…

Body building is a form of masturbation - maybe it’s fun, but there’s no point. Ooh I lift to get big <cough *g@y cough> Who you trying to impress, other lifters - cuz that’s well - you know what that is. Besides - the hot women I know like fit men, they’re grossed out by the lifters.

Anyway - the strongest people I know are farmers and furniture movers - they don’t look like body builders.

Now if you’re doing curls to get better at defending a kimura - or you doing explosive bench to build fast twitch so you can master a transition - there’s something to gain by doing so. Bulking and bodybuilding - bah, it’s well, you know what it is.[/QUOTE]

then real kung fu is not for you, because traditional kung fu heroes all have huge rippling muskles.

[QUOTE=bawang;1132032]then real kung fu is not for you, because traditional kung fu heroes all have huge rippling muskles.[/QUOTE]

I’m beginning to think you’re mistaking your cultures. Maybe you’re thinking of the Etruscan Warriors. They engaged in hom osexual relations to bond and cement their relationships with each other. That’s not kung fu. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=MightyB;1132012]
Body building is a form of masturbation - maybe it’s fun, but there’s no point. Ooh I lift to get big <cough *g@y cough> Who you trying to impress, other lifters - cuz that’s well - you know what that is. Besides - the hot women I know like fit men, they’re grossed out by the lifters.[/quote]

Who cares if someone wants to be a bodybuilder?

Regarding hot women, I would place more emphasis on what women do and respond to rather than what they say. This is totally off topic, but look at how many women say they want a “nice guy,” but constantly turn down nice guys in favor of dating outlaw bikers with forearm tattoos? What are they responding to? Look at how many “nice guys” can’t find dates. Yet that’s what all the hot women say they want.

Ok back on topic.

Most martial artists would **** themselves if they had to fight a bodybuilder.

Who cares if someone wants to be a bodybuilder? Why does anyone care what they look like? Wanting to gain muscle is no different than fat people wanting to lose weight.

Anyway - the strongest people I know are farmers and furniture movers - they don’t look like body builders.

Depends on how you define strength. Farmers and furniture movers have great muscular endurance because of the nature of their work, but can they run a marathon? Can they deadlift 3x their bodyweight? Can they box 5 rounds without tiring? There are many definitions of “strong.”

Now if you’re doing curls to get better at defending a kimura - or you doing explosive bench to build fast twitch so you can master a transition - there’s something to gain by doing so. Bulking and bodybuilding - bah, it’s well, you know what it is.

lol, I love the anti-bodybuilding crew. Who cares what someone wants to do?

I love how people think big muscles are inflated and useless. I think it’s carryover from old school MA nonsense, probably combined with the fact that bodybuilders, when they are beginners in MA, probably over-muscle their way through everything.

But once they learn how to do it correctly, they’re much more powerful fighters than smaller guys.

There’s also overcorrection from the “functional strength” crew. To bring this idea to the masses, the marketing had to be a bit anti-bodybuilder, because all the public knew about was weightlifting = bodybuilder. I remember in the early 2000s when it happened, there was so much bodybuilder hate. Even Pavel was a bit anti-bodybuilding in his books and programs. I don’t think he thinks bodybuilding is stupid or useless; he was just making a point. It’s dying down a bit now and things are starting to equalize again.

Also, a lot of people hate on bodybuilding because it’s hard. The training is hard, eating enough is hard, etc. It’s easier to be skinny and pretend like it’s by choice because “bodybuilding sucks and is useless muscle.” lol.

I don’t want to fight a BJJ blackbelt, but if I had to, I’d rather him be 140 pounds than a 240 pound bodybuilder.

[QUOTE=IronFist;1132035]Who cares if someone wants to be a bodybuilder?

Most martial artists would **** themselves if they had to fight a bodybuilder.
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Me no scare -

lol, I love the anti-bodybuilding crew. Who cares what someone wants to do?

I love how people think big muscles are inflated and useless. I think it’s carryover from old school MA nonsense, probably combined with the fact that bodybuilders, when they are beginners in MA, probably over-muscle their way through everything.

But once they learn how to do it correctly, they’re much more powerful fighters than smaller guys.

I don’t want to fight a BJJ blackbelt, but if I had to, I’d rather him be 140 pounds than a 240 pound bodybuilder.

I believe in strength training and conditioning - see my pic (that’s me at 36 I’ve gained 10 more lbs of muscle since), but bodybuilding’s g@y. :wink:

some of the top mma fighters who are big and bulky can squat over 500 pounds. you think those huge muskles are just saggy water baloons?

[QUOTE=bawang;1132042]some of the top mma fighters who are big and bulky can squat over 500 pounds. you think those huge muskles are just saggy water baloons?[/QUOTE]

They squat 500lbs for a reason and it’s not to impress the ladies, it’s to enhance their performance. They strength train…

a bodybuilder does it to be g@y and look at himself in the mirror and think - oh look at my big musc cles. (rubbing testicles) Ooh I’d fck me, I’d fck me so hard.

[QUOTE=IronFist;1131948]
This guy certainly doesn’t have flexibility issues:

Nor does this guy:


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You seriously think that’s cool? :confused::eek::confused::eek:

I’d be more afraid that they would want to put a rufy in my beer.

[QUOTE=MightyB;1132004]Those pics are so g@y.

Be strong enough to do what you want to do. Sport Specific training is better than body building. Body builders are usually the biggest douches in the kwoon. They look like jack offs and usually are jack offs. The guys who weight train and do sport specific stuff are usually lean, not bulky. Bulky is bulky and it’s awkward. There’s a difference between a gymnast’s body and the Muscle Beach body and how it functions. As martial artists, we want the gymnast’s body.[/QUOTE]

Wow dude, really?

There are douchebags in every sport.

Sure, there are some bodybuilder dbags.

There are Crossfit dbags.

There are TMA dbags.

There are internal martial art dbags.

There are MMA dbags.

There are BJJ dbags

Granted, some of these fields may have a tendency to attract cocky individuals.

Muscle doesn’t function differently. It contracts or it relaxes. “Bodybuilding muscle” adapted because of the stress imposed on it during training, so it serves a purpose with regard to a specific type of weight/rep/time under tension load expectation. It’s no more or less useful than “powerlifting muscle” or a marathoner’s ability to run 26 miles.

Sorry some bodybuilders were mean to you once and now you’re a hater.

[QUOTE=MightyB;1132039]I believe in strength training and conditioning - see my pic (that’s me at 36 I’ve gained 10 more lbs of muscle since), but bodybuilding’s g@y. ;)[/QUOTE]

lol @ saying bodybuilding is gay right after saying you gained some muscle.

Sounds like you’re 10 pounds gayer than you were when that pic was taken.

[QUOTE=IronFist;1132051]Wow dude, really?

Sorry some bodybuilders were mean to you once and now you’re a hater.[/QUOTE]

LOL - ahh, you’re jealous 'cuz I have big muskles and a six pack and I did it without bodybuilding. :smiley:

TMA Baby - it’s in the Gungs, it’s all in the Gungs!!! I knowz the realz kung fu. HA!!! :wink: My pics posted and it’s proof of the Gungs!!!

[QUOTE=IronFist;1132052]lol @ saying bodybuilding is gay right after saying you gained some muscle.

Sounds like you’re 10 pounds gayer than you were when that pic was taken.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, might be on to something - you got dinner plans? :wink:

dont make me throw up on you guys! :mad:

So, MightyB, if someone uses weight training too:

Enhance “health” (defined for the purposes of this post as the correct play between organs and organ systems)

Improve martial “performance” (defined for the purposes of this post as the technically correct use of existing attributes)

AND

Improve “appearance” (defined for the purposes of this post as the physical presentation of the body)

using methods culled from sources which include “bodybuilding” (defined for the purposes of this post as the use of resistance training to enhance the size of a muscle/group, with other attribute effects not being considered), then

someone is into the same gender?

I would posit the attitudes regarding resistance training are rooted in the same place as the attitudes regarding fans of one genre of niche fiction looking at another group:

“It’s different, it sucks.”

Worked a lot of construction over the years. Guys go into three groups:

  1. Tough mf’s who are useful when you need to unload a box truck full of 4x8 MDF.

  2. Wussies who are probably going to damage at least twenty dollars worth of supplies.

Of the first group, lifelong construction workers, and guys who did weights to be strong.

Of the second, skinny guys WHO HADN’T DONE TEN YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION and ALL BODY SCULPTORS.

Never once saw a strong body sculptor at work. Never understood how someone with larger muscles than me could be so weak.

Also know of a former Russian olympic weights coach, strong as hell, not as big as that(has mass, but not rediculous mass), but STRONG.

Big is fine if it’s also strong.

[QUOTE=IronFist;1132052]lol @ saying bodybuilding is gay right after saying you gained some muscle.

Sounds like you’re 10 pounds gayer than you were when that pic was taken.[/QUOTE]

Lol…

Now that was kinda funny!

[QUOTE=Taixuquan99;1132070]Worked a lot of construction over the years. Guys go into three groups:

  1. Tough mf’s who are useful when you need to unload a box truck full of 4x8 MDF.

  2. Wussies who are probably going to damage at least twenty dollars worth of supplies.

Of the first group, lifelong construction workers, and guys who did weights to be strong.

Of the second, skinny guys WHO HADN’T DONE TEN YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION and ALL BODY SCULPTORS.

Never once saw a strong body sculptor at work. Never understood how someone with larger muscles than me could be so weak.

Also know of a former Russian olympic weights coach, strong as hell, not as big as that(has mass, but not rediculous mass), but STRONG.

Big is fine if it’s also strong.[/QUOTE]

You get it.

BTW - I worked as a furniture mover for about 6 years for United Van Lines. We’d get those body builder pu$$ies that couldn’t keep up with 60 year old men.

Uki is a brick mason… betcha he could make beyotches out of the “hardest” of body sculpting body builders.

[QUOTE=Lucas;1132059]dont make me throw up on you guys! :mad:[/QUOTE]

Ahh Lucas, you know that you’d be my first choice for manly love’n. :smiley: