Is the great Two Year Grandmaster still spewing inanities? :rolleyes:
I bid you farewell.
LOL, that lasted a long time.
[QUOTE=anerlich;925396]LOL, that lasted a long time.[/QUOTE]
LOL. You were the ones who were supposed to be ignoring me while still posting to me.
What I’ve learned from this thread so far:
…The endless excuses for not crosstraining - even in the face of what is now overwhelming evidence that crosstraining is clearly the way to go - are indeed ENDLESS !!! :eek:
LOL, hardwork…:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;925421]…The endless excuses for not crosstraining - even in the face of what is now overwhelming evidence that crosstraining is clearly the way to go - are indeed ENDLESS !!! :eek:
LOL, hardwork…:rolleyes:
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Wing Chun is a result of crosstraining and this is reflected in its ranges, (including the ground) and techniques ONLY IF TRAINED CORRECTLY!:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;925370]I see what you are saying.
But that statement could be interpreted in different ways. One can interprete the “Really martial arts is not for the masses” statement as, “not every one has the dedication and the will to learn MAs”. . . . [/QUOTE]
From what I posted you are correct. It’s what I didn’t post that makes it clear that he wouldn’t show his “real” kung fu to just anyone.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;925427]From what I posted you are correct. It’s what I didn’t post that makes it clear that he wouldn’t show his “real” kung fu to just anyone.[/QUOTE]
Then if that is the case then I stand corrected.
Someone as dedicated and hard training as Bruce Lee would probably discover stuff and develop ways, but again may main point was that he had not completed any kung fu style and some of his training would go against internal training principles so I have concluded that his secrets could not be internal.
Again I will stand corrected if more info appears.
Bringing this thread back on track…
Bruce Lee’s vision included numerous tools used to fight from longer-ranged outside position to close range (ie.- the wing chun preferred fighting range).
Tools that truly brought wing chun more fight credibility precisely because what he added, in effect, through his long range kicking, straight longer range boxing leads, broken rhythm footwork (including also borrowing from fencing footwork)…
was a more up-to-date wing chun delivery system.
Discuss…
I think much of today’s mma world fits in well with Bruce’s vision and conclusions. I think he would have approved of the modern competitions, and I am suprised there isn’t more involvement from the JKD community. However some of Bruce’s ideas aren’t utilised much if at all… for instance the long straight lead jab or his many high hooking kicks. But he definately wanted JKD to continue to change and adapt so who knows what else he might have experimented with given more time. It was definately his study of combat sports (boxing, fencing, wrestling) that gave JKD more mobility and I think it would be better suited to competition than wing chun. I love wing chun but there is a whole world of ring tactics that it does not teach that are necessary for competition.
[QUOTE=punchdrunk;927739]I think much of today’s mma world fits in well with Bruce’s vision and conclusions.[/quote]
That is definitely a possibility.
There seems to be mixed opinions regarding Bruce’s view of competitions and that may indicate to why JKD people generally shy away from them.
That is because Wing Chun (like all TCMAs) was originally designed for real combat and not as a ring sport. Hence the argument that a sports approach will more likely take one away from the authentic kung fu approach.
However at the end of the day it all depends what one is looking for.
I agree there is a huge difference between any form of competition and self defence, didn’t mean to make it sound like I’m criticising wing chun, I love it.
[QUOTE=punchdrunk;927764]I agree there is a huge difference between any form of competition and self defence, didn’t mean to make it sound like I’m criticising wing chun, I love it.[/QUOTE]
That makes two us. I love Wing Chun as well as TCMAs in general.
Wing Chun is a result of crosstraining and this is reflected in its ranges, (including the ground) and techniques ONLY IF TRAINED CORRECTLY!:rolleyes:
The same can be said of any style being taught today.
The fight efficiency of Wing Chun is not the result of any crosstraining hundreds of years ago that is relevant to today’s martial arts and certainly DOES NOT REFLECT any up-to-date efficiency in any range other than close range.
Why do people continue to bother answering this guy’s foolery? He clearly has no idea of what he talks about. :rolleyes:
Bruce Lee, in my opinion, although his knowledge of wing chun per se was not as extensive as others, nonetheless had a more profound effect on bringing wing chun into the latter part of the 20th century in terms of fight efficiency than anyone - bar none.
Because he truly came to understand the importance of crosstraining - whereas every other wing chun fighter/master/grandmaster have missed this point big time compared to Bruce.
This is someone who went behind closed doors and sparred with some of the best karate, judo, and wrestling folks of his day (ie.- Mike Stone, Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris, Gene Lebell, Wally Jay, etc.)…
no one else in the wing chun world can say that.
Why do people continue to bother answering this guy’s foolery? He clearly has no idea of what he talks about.
Because hundreds of years from now when our descendents dig up a hard disk drive from the rubble of humanity, which just so happens to contain the archives of this forum, we don’t want them to think hardwork108 was the authority on kung fu.
[QUOTE=AdrianK;927799]The same can be said of any style being taught today.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about Wing Chun.
[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;927841]The fight efficiency of Wing Chun is not the result of any crosstraining hundreds of years ago that is relevant to today’s martial arts and certainly DOES NOT REFLECT any up-to-date efficiency in any range other than close range.[/quote]
That may be true for the lineage of Wing Chun that you practice. The lineage of Wing Chun that I practice has close range, mid range, long range and the ground range(I am not at this level yet), using chin-na and striking techniques while on the ground Of course, its emphasis is medium to close range!
That is not a nice thing to say, specially to some one who practices a richer form of Wing Chun than you have been exposed to.
That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. What Bruce Lee did was take Wing Chun away from TCMA principles and closer to kickboxing/Modern MMA ones. It worked for him!
So you are not aware of the chin-na/Kum la stand up and ground applications in mainland Chinese lineages of Wing Chun.
And you don’t seem to be aware of the Crane, Snake, Dragon and Tiger (Cross training) influences in Wing Chun either.
And?
Because no one else in Wing Chun spars or fights with anyone good, ever? Just you and Bruce Lee?:rolleyes:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…
[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;927968]zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…;)[/QUOTE]
Hey, someone wake up Ultimatewingchun!!!
Anyone, just post something on BJJ or some predictable Muay Thai knee techniques.
Please hurry before he slips into a coma, having heard me mention actual kung fu aspects of Wing Chun (chin-na/animals) without any reference whatsoever to modern and “functional” boxing, kickboxing or groundfighting techniques.
Sorry Ultimatewingchun, but I only make kung fu posts.
Because hundreds of years from now when our descendents dig up a hard disk drive from the rubble of humanity, which just so happens to contain the archives of this forum, we don’t want them to think hardwork108 was the authority on kung fu.
Even if the future follows the path laid out in “Idiocracy”, no future historian could possibly be that stupid.