Boxer vs. Grappler

Wai Jia: The Kung Fu Forum Street/Reality Fighting
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arse whuppins’…

RJJ as he was called would kick most NHB guys ass es in the street. He is a real martial artisit and fighter. Remember the “Chicken Wing” strike? See Kata Pinan Sandan. He is the epitome of sporty guys but he like Chris Bird and a couple of other boxers would kick practically anyone’s as s! They can fight for real.

As for being successful at MMAs. We are seeing that strikers are becoming much more successful in these matches than the grapplers. This is especially true of the BJJers. They let the cat out of the bag now everyone has their number. Did you know that ‘secret’ and ‘sacred’ are from the same root word? I guess the Gracie’s didn’t.

Roy Jones would be considered an A+ fighter NHB or on the street, because he played football and is an Olympic caliber athlete and a real bad as s mo-fo. He ain’t some guy on a forum detailing his 5 years of fighting experience. Please! Show Roy some leg kicking techs and even with limited practice he would kick everyone of those pseudo super-athletes as ses. C’mon now!!!

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KKD No Offense to UR friend But that Story Just says he Cant fight not that Grappling is limited.

>>I said I worked with him. Hes an aquaintance (not really a friend - I think he’s an arrogant SOB, but he is also about 5’10, 220 lbs of tough muscle, so he is a fairly powerful dude)… However, I used to train with a couple of cops and we would do knife tactics and you DO NOT want to grapple with a blade. I dont care how good you think you are, you’re gonna die. Also, bouncing for 4 years taught me to NOT go to the ground, since there is always someone else waiting to jump in (or at least kick/cut/hit with chair etc…)..

If he was Smart he would have take the Guy down by Dumping him On his Head or Whatever and Not follow him Down.

>>I wasn’t there, but how do you know the other guy wasn’t a large guy (or a grappler??)… Also, the old dump on the head can get you 8-20 years where you’ll have lots of time practicing multiple opponent techniques…LOL (and all the free sex you want (or dont…LOL… Thems the real world…

Or if He did Go to Ground he Should stay Upright as Possible and Kneeride.

>> Again, I wasn’t there, but it is so much easier in the ‘school’ to practice and do things, but when the moment truly hits, alot of people forget their stuff because of panic, pain, mental blocks etc etc…

Sorry to say it But your buddy is Just dumb thats like Trying to start a strreetfight with a Spinning Back Kick and then Saying that Because it doesnt work in That situation then No MA that HAS a spinning Back Kick Has the COrrect Resopnse to that Situation

>> I think he’s a schmuck myself, but he just works here.. Sounded like they lipped off to each other and went at it.. fast and furious… Then they were on the floor and he was getting boot from the side WHILE the guy on the ground was actually fighting back…

I think all the grappling schools should teach multiple attackers like other good shcools… 2 (start low - or more) people SIMULTANEOUSLY attacking the student… Ahhhhhhhhh… swarming does wonders for the mental training as well…

again… my .02…

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I’ve done a bit of one attacker, figure out how to bail. The other two start slightly off to the side and come in at you. You have to bail out and run.

For those who think this isn’t much pressure, I might point out that we started off with the opponent mounted, and you have to get up and leave.

I might also point out that it’s much harder when your opponent has at least some training, and knows all he has to do is hold on for the ‘win’.

If I hadn’t trained grappling, I’d probably get stomped. Except, since I grapple, I was able to reverse position and leave.

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As for being successful at MMAs. We are seeing that strikers are becoming much more successful in these matches than the grapplers. This is especially true of the BJJers. They let the cat out of the bag now everyone has their number. Did you know that ‘secret’ and ‘sacred’ are from the same root word? I guess the Gracie’s didn’t.

Anyone today who is training in NHB is training hard on striking skills. They have known for years the importance. Dont think that MMA is about grappling alone. Its primary because to win you take the guy down and work a submission, but they are training standup skills just as hard, a KO is also a win. But you need both skills and you need to be strong in both.

Pick up Matt Thortons Funtional JKD, ( www.straightblastgym.com ) he does NHB, see for yourself what the training is. Invest a little money into an education that way you dont look bad when you post.

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BTW, I am not a MMA, guy. I have been in the arts over 25 years and worked out with many people. I did alot of research and found answers first hand. I reccomend the same to everyone. When someone walks in and wants to do randori with you, make sure you know what it is. Or someone tells you about Pai shih.

Invest some time and money, broaden your mind along with your skills.

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Certain boxers would fair better then others. Roy is one that I think would fair rather well. He is quick enough to keep it at a boxing range. Teach him how to avoid the takedown, just in case, and he would probably win a title.

Every one style has a hole in it, wether it’s BJJ or KF. You just need to find out for yourself if it’s better to become a specialist, or a MMA.

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I’m not sure why anybody would want to spend 15 minutes on a bar floor.
11 words MP, “To fish a dropped bar rag from behind the cigerette machine.”
MMMMMMMMMMMM bar rags!

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Originally posted by Yung Apprentice
[B]Certain boxers would fair better then others. Roy is one that I think would fair rather well. He is quick enough to keep it at a boxing range. Teach him how to avoid the takedown, just in case, and he would probably win a title.

Every one style has a hole in it, wether it’s BJJ or KF. You just need to find out for yourself if it’s better to become a specialist, or a MMA. [/B]

Yea thats kinda how I saw it…you can’t counter quickness.

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Actually you can. You counter quickness with pressure/immobilization. With fast guys, you shoot/clinch and takedown.

yes, I’m aware you’re talking about an RJJ trained in takedown defense, but keeping the pressure on with the clinching and shooting will severely inhibit his speed.

FWIW, RJJ’s footwork/speed isn’t good enough to avoid a takedown. Footwork just isn’t sufficient. Even the best still can’t avoid contact, just like RJJ still gets hit.

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Dark Knight :

Do you get a Commission , or something ?

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A boxer would totally **** up agrappler. They have the worst hand technique i have ever seen. I saw one fight where this fat slow ugly guy threw a JAB and knocked the other guy out. KNOCKED OUT BY A JAB!!! Just give the guy some defense on take downs and you got one dead grappler.

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:rolleyes:

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boxer would totally **** up agrappler. They have the worst hand technique i have ever seen. I saw one fight where this fat slow ugly guy threw a JAB and knocked the other guy out. KNOCKED OUT BY A JAB!!! Just give the guy some defense on take downs and you got one dead grappler.

Translation: “Hi. I’m uninformed but that doesn’t stop me from having an opinion.”

The fat slow ugly guy you refer to was Emmanuel Yarborough–quite possibly the fattest, slowest, ugliest Sumo wrestler you’lll ever find. I believe it was Keith Hackney who KO’d him.

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A boxer, Melton Bowen, lost to a Ninjitsu figher, Steve Jennum, in Ultimate Fighting Championship 3, also probably titled on the vhs tape “The American Dream” on
September 9, 1994 in Charlotte, NC.

Steve hip tossed the boxer onto the ground and then he locked the boxer’s arm up in an armbar. The boxer tapped out before his joint would snap. Watch the Ultimate Fighting Championship 3.

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/eventinfo.cfm?eventid=10

Steve Jennum-Ninjitsu
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=44

Melton Bowen-Boxing
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=51

Here’s how Melton Bowen the boxer loss.
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/sherdogsfightpics.cfm?matchId=45#

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On the so called boxer- funny. That guy with gloves just standing there and moving his hands- was no real top level boxer.
The good ones can make more money in boxing than in mma.

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I agree 9 out of 10 times the boxer will lose. It would be great to see a top level boxer with some wrestling experience compete though.

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I disagree. More and more MMA fights are ending with standing
punches ie: Silva V. Sak.

Look at Belfort (probably the best boxing skills in MMA)
crushing Silva.

Now imagine if that was Roy Jones or Bernard Hopkins fighting Silva. He wouldn’t have got up as fast.

A grappler against a PROFESSIONAL Boxer? He’d better get
the boxer on the ground quick. While he’s angling for say a shoot
or a clinch he is exposed to the boxer’s specialty range.

A MMA guy vs. a Professional Boxer in a boxing format?
There isn’t an MMA striker who would last in that format.

Then again in boxing the difference between an accomplished Amatuer and a serious pro is the difference between night and day.

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I just wanted to mention that all three guys you mentioned are grapplers also.
Silva - Brown belt BJJ
Belfort- Black belt BJJ
Sak- awesome wrestler and Black belt judo

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Also Silva would love to have a rematch with Belfort, I don’t think it would end up the same way.

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“A grappler against a PROFESSIONAL Boxer?”

A grappler would and have killed professional boxers with NO KNOWLEDGE of take down defense.

A grappler would and have been killed by professional boxers with knowledge of take down defense.