my conditioning comes from plenty of gym time. I’m usually in the gym 5 days a week, twice a day when possible. I’m usually in class about 13 hours per week.
We did a little body conditioning today. I’m sure Crippled Avenger and Fajing are itching to discuss how we do it 
I think y’all need to establish the difference between the two types of conditioning being discussed:
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As per the original question, conditioning such as Iron Palm, Golden Bell, Dragon Bone QiGong, etc. - this is basically toughening up the skin, muscle, tendon and bone through repetitive impact to make the bodypart hard and strong and far less pervious to strikes, etc.
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Fitness and strength conditioning, as many people here seem to think the question means, such as aerobic training, weight training, other forms of resistance training, etc.
Perhaps we should differentiate by talking about either Iron Conditioning or Fitness Conditioning? There is some crossover but they are absolutely not the same thing.
nah, they’re not the same thing at all. Getting thrown repeatedly does wonders for toughness though, so the second part of my answer still applies.
Originally posted by Shaolin-Do
[B]wtf?
My hand smells like p*ssy.
Strange…
[/B]
Quit playing with yourself…
F#cking LOL!
Lynux6Gold, cool, another person who does Snake Turns Over. I don’t do it, but I know the form. I used to do Stone Warrior, though.
Serpent said:
[i]I do everything that Ryu does. Twice.
Then twice more before bed.[/i]
Oh yeah, well I do everything you do in between each set of my normal workout, even if the rest periods are only one minute.
So there 
IronFist
Yeah? Well I only do all that on my rest days, which are only one day a year.
The rest of the year I do workouts infinitely more hardcore than that.
And I’ve got two instructors certificates from Paul Vunak and they’re both valid.
Originally posted by Water Dragon
We did a little body conditioning today. I’m sure Crippled Avenger and Fajing are itching to discuss how we do it
I’ll bite, since I was the throwing dummy today.
It’s simple really. You get thrown on the ground hard enough to bruise and knock the wind out of you, you get up and you do three more sets of reps of the same throw. Then we do other throws.
In between, I was working on stance work and falling, but really, the best conditioning is done with a partner. There’s no feeling like being thrown onto the ground at 50-75% force. I can’t imagine any other way to get used to the feeling.
So, to boil this down, both WD and 7* have nabbed the columbo. How, you may ask? Well, that’s not a story for polite company. 
Yeah, well my rest periods in between sets are still harder than your entire year of working out combined, pussy!
IronFist
Who said we were polite? Out with it, man!:D:
Originally posted by IronFist
[B]Yeah, well my rest periods in between sets are still harder than your entire year of working out combined, pussy!
IronFist [/B]
I do arm curls with two people in each hand and all four of those people work out harder than you.
I bench both an angry gorilla and serpent as he performs the aforementioned curls.
~ Snake turns over is a cool exercise. At one time I built up to almost 300 reps on an arm. Took more than an HOUR to do. I had great definition, lots of strength, and my forarms were like rocks. Then I stopped. (Darn it) I did not do anything with it for a couple of years. My arms and grip were still pretty strong though. I am thinking of starting it up again.
~ I had thought about doing the stone warrior set as well but decided against it. I have done some other isotonic style sets in the past and while I got strong I noticed some problems. Many, many, many (not all, but many) of the practicioners of those sorts of exercises have noticable problems with basic neuromuscular functions. A LOT of people who have done this stuff for a long term basis (15 years plus) seem to have a constant lowered resistance to common colds. Additionally, many of them when they talk always seem like they are clearing phlegm out of their lungs. There are other little things that if you studied TCM for a while you might pick up as well.
~ It is not limited to people who do severe isotonic sets though. Many weight lifters, powerlifters, and bodybuilders have the same sorts of symptoms as well.
~ This does not take away from the tremondous strength gains that are available from those programs, but it is something to be considered before starting.
~ Iron palm is an interesting pursuit. A lot of instructors I have studied with say that after a person starts to learn Iron Palm then they can practice two man drills or sparring after that. Perhaps that is another reason why Iron Palm traditionally is taught many years after starting the arts… I would want to make sure my timing, distancing, footwork, and other vital skills were fully developed first before starting a program like that.
~ I have also found that when practicing BaGua, depending on where I focus, I can develop a tremendous amount of energy in my palms.
~ Just some food for thought. I hope it helps.
~ Discuss amongst yourselves.
Peace
Sin Loi
Yi Beng, Kan Xue
Originally posted by Serpent
[B]
I do arm curls with two people in each hand and all four of those people work out harder than you. [/B]
Geez you freaking girl, did you feel that tremor? That was me deadlifting the Earth.
IronFist
Can someone describe snake turns over for me?
Originally posted by IronFist
[B]
Geez you freaking girl, did you feel that tremor? That was me deadlifting the Earth.
IronFist [/B]
You could only deadlift it cos I was off-planet benching a couple of galaxies.
Originally posted by Leimeng
Many, many, many (not all, but many) of the practicioners of those sorts of exercises have noticable problems with basic neuromuscular functions. A LOT of people who have done this stuff for a long term basis (15 years plus) seem to have a constant lowered resistance to common colds. Additionally, many of them when they talk always seem like they are clearing phlegm out of their lungs. There are other little things that if you studied TCM for a while you might pick up as well.
That’s interesting. I thought that these type of things strengthened the immune system. What causes this type of effect from a TCM perspective?
IronFist