What do you think of one of the greatest fighters of our time?
LOL, he sure is the best in winning imaginary fights. I must admit that much. He must make Paul Koh proud.
what are is your problem
do you have some kind of problem i don’t fight imaginary fights so i don’t know what your talking about second i made an open challenge to anyone only two people had the balls to take it one i had to trick into taking it what you bitches
never heard a peep out of you secound keep this on the koh forum never ever try to embarres me again!
hak fu moon (black tiger system)
I post this separate as I don’t want to be pulled into that challenging thing going on the other thread.
Is there only one black tiger system?
NO
NO
Regards
Shi Chan Long
no
there are 2 styles of black tiger manly fu jow pai
formely known as hak fu moon then there black tiger which is a different style all by it self it was used by imperial guards to protect the emperor
during the song dynasty the legendary black whirlwind li kui (outlaws of the marsh/water margin)was said to be an exponent of this art not much is known except that it vanished after the song and re-appeared during the ching dynasty a trveling performer from shang dong(who was really a monk) was said to hold the skill. thats about all i know about it hope i answered some of your question,
Hi,
There are five systems of Black Tiger of which at least one is Northern, the others being Southern.
Fu Jow Pai is based on the Black Tiger (Southern) system. Southern versions of Tiger systems are Hung Family Fist…and so…under the Hung Fist…we are all one family.
All the Best
GHD
a northern tiger?
Which is the northen style? didn’t know one existed
Imperial guards??
Imperial guards were trained in black tiger too?
White crane/lama/hop ga stylist also said Imperial guards trained in there system.
Then again white eyebrow people say that he was the teacher of the ching army; most notable is Kao Tin Chung the Ching Army general that burned shaolin.
And lets not forget General Yue Fueh who developed eagle claw, or is it chin na?, or xingyi? and also his own style Yue Ga/Ngo Fei?
So, how many styles did the imperial guard used??
[This message was edited by Groundking1 on 02-09-01 at 05:26 PM.]
Black Tiger From The North
The northern style of black tiger gung fu is the Shangdong Black Tiger Style. Only seen books on it. Never seen it in reality
Peace
Je Lei Sifu 
The Southern Fist Subdues The Fierce Mountain Tiger
March/April issue of Kf/QiGong Magazine
there’s an article in here about this other Black Tiger system. in article there is also a picture of a grinder dummy. anybody ever use this or know anything about it?
hi-
there is a poster here and around that goes by the screen name “reemul”.
he is a practitioner of the northern black tiger system.
I myself practice a black tiger system that is unrelated to Wai Hong’s Fu Jow Pai and also is not related to Hark Fu Moon.
The Black Tiger System I have been given and practice is from Toisan (hoy sun) district of canton.
peace
Kung Lek
black tiger!
now i don’t know about any one else but i remember way back when i said that you don’t have to be apart of the fu jow pai organization to be consodered a master and kung fu magazine just printed an article that talks about a black tiger master who had nothing to do with wai hong organization…
Hi-
Wai Hong’s Fu Jow Pai is Not “Black Tiger”.
He and his representatives never said that Fu Jow Pai was Black Tiger.
Fu jow Pai was formed out of Wai Hong’s understanding of his lessons in Hark Fu Moon (a southern black Tiger system) and Hung Gar.
Fu Jow Pai literally means “Tiger Claw school/clan”
I study a sil lum black tiger style that is also unrealted to Wai Hongs system of Fu Jow Pai. It comes from Toisan District of Canton.
The black Tiger system you saw in the magazine is Hark Fu Moon which is the Black Tiger system name that predates Fu Jow Pai.
It is one of the better known black tiger systems.
So, in short, I have read a lot of the fuss and challenges about Black Tiger but no one seemed to comment that Fu Jow Pai is NOT black Tiger system and it never claimed it was, it was formed from the foundation of Hark Fu Moon and Hung Gar which are not exclusive to anyone or any organization and was practiced throughout southern china with many village masters knowing and passing the system along.
The problems come when people say they are teaching Fu jow Pai or are masters of Fu Jow Pai which is the system that Wai Hong created and therefore he has rights to claim the system as His and he has the right to appoint instructors exclusively for this system of Kung Fu.
peace
Kung Lek
good info!
yeah i know it’s not the same but a few months back when i was speaking of this style alot of morons didn’t believe me stating that wai hong’s
fu jow pai/hark fu moon was the only real style, and that i was just making things up
Well, Hark Fu Moon is a real black tiger style and Fu Jow Pai is a real tiger style, Shantung Black Tiger is Northern Shaolin Black Tiger, Hak Fu Pai is Southern Sil Lum Black Tiger, there are other Black Tiger systems also and probably a few more that fall into the category of “village” styles.
Black Tiger systems in general, from what I have seen,read,and heard, share some aspects with Hung systems.
It is probably due to the common Sil Lum roots of Tiger systems.
Other notable tiger styles are from all over.
Even non-cma systems are based on tiger style principles.
peace
Kung Lek
Hey
I actually do Fu Jow Pai kung fu in the UK. We are the only Fu Jow Pai club in our country, but it’s really enjoyable. Last year we had Grandmaster Angie Papadatos come over, with his team. He’s a bit scary but really friendly - have you heard of him? Also, what dress do u wear? We wear white thin tops with black trousers with white lettering down the sides that read:
FU JOW PAI
What do you wear?
“Have the strength of a tiger yet the wisdom of an old man”
I wear, pants, shirt and shoes (not necessarily in that order 
)
seriously though we do have a school uniform of black loose fitting KF pants, a t-shirt with our school crest over the heart and on the back and MA shoes of whatever choice you like (cotton gentlemen’s shoes, competition regs, low tops…etc)
peace
Kung Lek
Amazing how Stupid and Ignorant People can be!
I am sure you guys have been waiting for my response.
First of all blacktiger, if you had actually read the article instead of letting your ignorance read it, you would have understand why the article has nothing to do with Wai Hong’s Fu-Jow Pai.
In the a rticle under the bold heading ‘Shaolin Roots’, paragraph one, is written:
“The founder of Siu Lam Black Tiger style was a Shaolin monk named Soo Huk Fu, a nickname that was given to him by his father. Soo being his surname, Huk meaning Black, and Fu bein g tiger (a very rare tiger). Hence the name Black Tiger. Today it is known as Huk Fu Moon, moon meaning association.”
This paragraph in the article clearly states that the name ‘Black Tiger’, is just a NICKNAME given to him by his father and not by a m onk and don’t even state that maybe his father was a monk because you’ll make yourself look more like a idiot than you already have. Also, it does not say that the monk learned Black Tiger Claw Kung Fu in the shaolin temple. Therefore, Black Tiger in ‘S iu Lam Black Tiger’ is just a nickname. With this paragraph alone, one can clearly understand (the smart ones only) that the style named ‘Siu Lam Black Tiger’, is based on a NICKNAME only and not based on a true Shaolin Black Tiger Claw System. Also, wh at proves this statement even more is that the short fat pig in the article demostrating a technique application, does no tiger movement or application in the article. Guys, open your eyes! You search for truth but continue to walk by it.
As for you Kun g Lek, I don’t know what the hell you are talking about stating that Wai Hong’s representatives never said that Fu-Jow Pai was Black Tiger. You need to go back to their websites and re-read the history links but this time don’t let your ignorance read it for you. Also, you know nothing about Wai Hong to say that Fu-Jow was formed based on his understanding. You will never come close to learn nor understand what the man has mastered. The bullsh*t Siu Lam Black Tiger System in the article is not one of the better know black tiger systems because it is not a black tiger system at all; it is a persons NICKNAME. Siu Lam Black Tiger is just a mix of northern and southern styles put together, nothing true and pure. What that tells me is that the person is a student of a lot of styles but obviously a master of none.
Fu-Jow Pai, Shaolin Black Tiger Claw Kung-Fu is a true and pure kung-fu system. It was a monk who passed down the system to two of his disciples with nothing else added; no hung gar, choy lay fut, tai chi, etc. nothing, just pure Shaolin Black Tiger Claw Kung-Fu because it takes a lifetime to master one system and as far as I know we have only one life to live.
So Blacktiger, you should not even talk because you can’t even back up your words, punking out of a challenge you started. And Kung Lek, you need to get your facts straight.
Blacktiger, check out this link: http://www.fujowpaikungfu.com/update.html
it is about your B*tch Sifu Paul Koh. I thought you might be interested.
SwiftKilll
Response
Kung Lek, you betray your own ignorance as to the Fu Jow Pai system and kungfu history in general when you say that it was created by Ng Wai Hong (I am also curious as to why you would refer to him using only his first name). Fu Jow Pai is a system that has roots which can be traced to at least the 19th century, if not further. Ng Wai Hong learned Fu Jow Pai (and yes, it was called Fu Jow Pai at the time) from Wong Moon Toy. The only two successors to the Fu Jow Pai system, as taught by Wong Moon Toy, are Ng Wai Hong and Paul Eng. Any others who claim to know Fu Jow Pai learned it from one of these two. Fu Jow Pai has always maintained that it is in fact a “tiger system,” and it is easily visible to any who have seen it in practice that it is such.
Obviously, there are other tiger systems out there; one would have to be a half-wit not to admit that. However, there is a problem between the Bo-Law Kungfu Association and the Fu Jow Pai Federation. The Bo-Law Kungfu Association is headed by “Grandmaster” Tak Wah Eng, whose only knowledge of kungfu comes from his uncle, who just happens to be Ng Wai Hong. Tak Wah Eng and Ng Wai Hong had a falling out, which led to Tak Wah Eng’s creation of a new association/system. The Fu Jow Pai Federation, headed by Ng Wai Hong, maintains that if Tak Wah Eng wishes to call himself a grandmaster of his own system, then he has that perogative. However, his students should not be able to claim knowledge, let alone mastery, of Fu Jow Pai, as they are no longer members of the Fu Jow Pai lineage, but of Tak Wah Eng’s new system. This is where the disparity comes in, as one of Tak Wah Eng’s students, Paul Koh (whose real last name is Pantazakos), claims himself to be a master of Fu Jow Pai, which is not so. The Fu Jow Pai Federation, probably already a bit livid at the whole situation with Tak Wah Eng, did not appreciate his student’s misrepresentation of their system. Hence, Sifu Hui Cambrelen (among others, I believe), has issued a public challenge to Paul Koh, who has never publicly responded.
On a similar vein of thought - any who claim to teach Fu Jow Pai or hold the rank of sifu in that system must have certification from the Fu Jow Pai Federation, signed by Ng Wai Hong. Any who do not are not true representatives of the style. However, this does not mean that there are not legitimate masters/instructors of other tiger systems.