Good training!
Indeed, excellent work.
Timing and difference pretty good. I would work on some drills to keep the head up. A good one we use is to take an athletic posture, head held up straight… let a partner one hand grab around the head and pull from side to side in circles, pull back, push forward
Other maintains straight back/head while moving with shuffle, feet remaining apart. Not crossing.
You feel that one the next day after your first time.
yep. not bad.
not sure why on concrete.
a safer surface would have opened it up a little more with the usage of techs, inside engagement etc.
still, better than a lot of examples in a similar light.
nice to see TCMAists utilizing slipping, bobbing and weaving.
(it’s also in our dragon section in Hung Kuen:-)
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1120591]yep. not bad.
not sure why on concrete.
a safer surface would have opened it up a little more with the usage of techs, inside engagement etc.
still, better than a lot of examples in a similar light.[/QUOTE]
I have done that before. It was just to get a sense for a fight that actually happened in a real setting. We wore football helmets though to protect from a bad fall.
why not on concrete? people don’t fight on concrete? i know usually its for the ring, but people fight and go to the ground in the streets all the time. why not train on the surface you may have to get down on?
why not then just throw down broken glass and sticks to make it…yah know…more realz?
[QUOTE=Brule;1120598]why not then just throw down broken glass and sticks to make it…yah know…more realz?[/QUOTE]
no need. It’s NYC, man.
why not then just throw down broken glass and sticks to make it…yah know…more realz?
So if you were attacked you would tell the guy or guys “sorry, we can’t do this here, there’s too much rocks, broken glass and sticks on the floor, oh those, they’re just syringe’s, don’t bother with those”. LOL 
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1120596]why not on concrete? people don’t fight on concrete? i know usually its for the ring, but people fight and go to the ground in the streets all the time. why not train on the surface you may have to get down on?[/QUOTE]
I understand what your saying. But, when on concrete, one is far more cautious and may not execute attacks or defenses that would actually best suit the situation because they are with a training partner and friend and on a surface that can cause a serious injury even in training.
Training is never replicating reality. It can get close, but it never gets there.
Even with intention, that is never the same in a for real situation as it is in a training situation. Hence the reasons why some guys train like beasts and when they get into a mix up, they’re done and surprisingly quickly too. It’s happened before plenty of times and I think any of us who has been into it as long as you for instance Frank, would have seen plenty of examples of just that by now. 
I understand what your saying. But, when on concrete, one is far more cautious and may not execute attacks or defenses that would actually best suit the situation because they are with a training partner and friend and on a surface that can cause a serious injury even in training.
If you’re padded up like these guys then the vital parts of your body are protected IMHO. I find while training being cautious to be a good thing cause without a training partner what will you be training? nothing at all wrong with being cautious. if you were training with real live blades would you not be cautious in class?
Even with intention, that is never the same in a for real situation as it is in a training situation. Hence the reasons why some guys train like beasts and when they get into a mix up, they’re done and surprisingly quickly too. It’s happened before plenty of times and I think any of us who has been into it as long as you for instance Frank, would have seen plenty of examples of just that by now.
Imo, it depends who you’re training with. someone people like to go hard, padded floors or cement. see, the thing about training on cement is that you must respect it because one simple mistake while falling can end your life in a confrontation. so you won’t take any chances. bleed that over to padded floors, you’d have a different perspective about falling.
either way, as long as they are realistically training, its all for good of the situation.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1120609]If you’re padded up like these guys then the vital parts of your body are protected IMHO. I find while training being cautious to be a good thing cause without a training partner what will you be training? nothing at all wrong with being cautious. if you were training with real live blades would you not be cautious in class?
Imo, it depends who you’re training with. someone people like to go hard, padded floors or cement. see, the thing about training on cement is that you must respect it because one simple mistake while falling can end your life in a confrontation. so you won’t take any chances. bleed that over to padded floors, you’d have a different perspective about falling.
either way, as long as they are realistically training, its all for good of the situation. :)[/QUOTE]
and this is why they are not going balls out. so can injuring yourself quite serisouly training on cement.
and this is why they are not going balls out. so can injuring yourself quite serisouly training on cement.
you can injure yourself on a mat…on the grass… just sayin
the percentages are reduced on those compared to cement wouldn’t you say?
I think you’re right.
I think I don’t view that as training that can be sustained and therefore it’s not going to be something that I will be doing much of.
You have to recycle your training partners! When you meet and fight the enemy for real, THEN you can slam him into the curb if need be.
Otherwise, it’s training. Footwork would be understood through this though, I will give it that for sure as well.
the percentages are reduced on those compared to cement wouldn’t you say?
oh of course. i just happen to like training on cement. part of this is because some of my students don’t want to fight in the ring, but prefer to fight in the streets if they have to. Training for that environment is just as important as training on matts IMHO. However I am training my guys now to fight in some local Muay Thai matches out here in the SF area.
Otherwise, it’s training. Footwork would be understood through this though, I will give it that for sure as well.
Street fighters are extremely aware of being body slammed to the cement which can end it right there. so they work their footwork, center of gravity, and even know how to sprawl and escapes from clinches just from experience and fear from fighting without ever being trained.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1120596]why not on concrete? people don’t fight on concrete? i know usually its for the ring, but people fight and go to the ground in the streets all the time. why not train on the surface you may have to get down on?[/QUOTE]
Because training in methods that let you go longer and full force without getting injured is superior to training in methods in which you can’t go long at full force before getting injured. Training on concrete does not allow for extended periods of full contact training without injuries.
Because training in methods that let you go longer and full force without getting injured is superior to training in methods in which you can’t go long at full force before getting injured. Training on concrete does not allow for extended periods of full contact training without injuries.
i do agree with that. but there is experience to be gained from training on the cement as well.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1120628]i do agree with that. but there is experience to be gained from training on the cement as well.[/QUOTE]
This is true, which is why it would be a good idea to train in this environment occasionally.