Bagua question

Chung’s Luk Hop Kung Fu Academy
Tai Chi, Ba Gua, Hsing-I, Liu He Ba Fa
Master Andrew Chung
Pelican Bays 4980 SW 52nd St. Suite 121
Ft.Lauderdale, FL 33314
Phone: (954) 224-9940

Laz,

Looks like Chung is only an hour away.

Like I said.. private lessons 4 times a year. Go Greyhound. If you want it.. make it happen!

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Great idea, I’d like to make a few suggestions with that: firstoff, don’t be afraid to ask questions and ask often. If you don’t understand something, seize the opportunity to learn. Especially if you have an email address for that teacher.That with the camera will help.

Secondly, Don’t try to learn from Youtube :smiley:. As silly as that sounds, there are alot of people who tried to learn from a book or an instructional video when they started out, me included. While they make good reference points if you get lost, they don’t give the finer details needed. There is no good substitution for a teacher. Oh, that reminds me, ask the teacher if there is anything out there that you can or should use as reference.

Last but not least is to find a place where you can practice without being bothered. If you live close to a park, find a spot that is generally secluded and practice there. If you have a backyard, there you go. Living in apartments, I don’t have a backyard, and I hate when people watch me from the porch or the window. If that doesn’t bother you then disregard this last comment.

Good luck homes :wink:

[QUOTE=Tao Of The Fist;981928]I hate when people watch me from the porch or the window.[/QUOTE]it doesn’t bother me as long as i have my space… when i get crowded i tend to use people as posts to walk around or tagets to shadow form to - both cases usually drives people to get out of my space… i have a habit of going into ballistic form while waiting for my tea water to boil or food to cook in the kitchen… outside of my closest circle of friends and family, one will hardly ever witness me practice form work or my general practice time. i have a big open living room with an 11’ ceiling, so doing form in the house is no big problem, accept for having to dodge two kids and my girlfriend. :slight_smile:

there are a few good replies here. i will add what i believe to be some helpful tips and advice.

1 - never learn from a book or video. i am sure there are some people who hate to hear this, but it is best to start practice only after recieving qualified instruction. and only practice the instruction you recieve. u can easily hurt yourself or create a long term injury by twisting the wrong way, or walking the wrong way and not following the principals. u have to know the difference between the soreness of a workout and the soreness of doing something in the wrong manner. a teacher cannot be reproduced by a thousand books. a qualified teacher has the necessary real life experience, knowledge, training, and has put in the work and will be able to tell you how to adjust appropriatly. treat books and videos only as references to your actual study, after you have undergone a period of training. and, although i don’t have a use for books or videos, i have made it a personal rule to never practice anything from a book or video. i work from direct teaching and experience.

2 - if your nearest school is 2 hours away, what is the problem? for my xingyi and bagua, i have a little over an hour of tavel. used to be a 90 minute drive before moving. if that is a lot to you, then make the trip only 2 or 3 times a month and make the most out of those trips. you can possibly or likely work something out with the teacher. and i am sure, if you are sincere, he/she will appreciate the dedication of you travelling a far distance to learn.

3 - best shoes i have found are indoor soccer shoes. they are low-tops, fairly flexible, and durable as well so they will not wear out in a month. and you want low-tops btw. that ankle support you get from mids or highs will not help develop lower leg strength and flexibility. u need lows! and the more flexible, usually the better.

4 - be careful of what you hear/read/see. don’t get things mixed is what i mean. if you learn yin style bagua, and you see different methods from cheng style, you don’t want to incorporate and mix these up. at least until you have 4-6 years of practice and know what you are doing. thing’s are taught the way they are for a reason. i support being creative in practice, but only after havng a solid understanding and being capable of demonstrating in high proficiency first.

5 - practice at home!!! there are a ton of people who only practice in the one or two classes they have a week. if you want to get to a decent level, and not feel like you are wasting you time, then you have to put in the work and eat some bitter yourself. u should be able to commit to at least an hour everyday for practice. and, the basics are most important. i have seen a lot of people who enjoy fun forms, or more extreme and technical forms or techniques, but these never work well unless you maintain fundamental practices. but first, u have to develope those fundamentals for quite a while. and never abondon them. even after years of practice, i still enjoy basic footwork exercises and similar foundation work. these never become less than a priority.

[QUOTE=KTS;981959]practice at home!!![/QUOTE]aye… that’s why i built a 1000 sq foot flagstone patio in my front yard. :smiley:

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[QUOTE=kfson;982005]Gary S. Torres
11805 Carrollwood Village Cove
Tampa, FL 33624
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Meditation[/QUOTE]one of peter kwoks students…

You guys have no idea how excited I am! I think I am going to see what Chung has to offer, due to the fact it is moderatly close! Does that school have an email address? And thank you all! It is greatly appreciated and I really am grateful for all the help!

[QUOTE=Laz;982128]You guys have no idea how excited I am! I think I am going to see what Chung has to offer, due to the fact it is moderatly close! Does that school have an email address? And thank you all! It is greatly appreciated and I really am grateful for all the help![/QUOTE]GO NOW!!! travel quickly as the knowledge you seek will leave you a marked man… you will become self-empowered, confident in the face of all adversary… you have made a wise decision my son - may the breath of the dragon sustain you. :stuck_out_tongue:

[QUOTE=uki;982132]GO NOW!!! travel quickly as the knowledge you seek will leave you a marked man… you will become self-empowered, confident in the face of all adversary… you have made a wise decision my son - may the breath of the dragon sustain you. :p[/QUOTE]

… and your lucky numbers are 5, 8, 18, 24, 64.

Alright I emailed him and just requested general information such as cost and whatnot…now we play the waiting game. So may I ask what style you all practice and how long you have been practing it?

[QUOTE=Laz;982141]Alright I emailed him and just requested general information such as cost and whatnot…now we play the waiting game. So may I ask what style you all practice and how long you have been practing it?[/QUOTE]

Jiang style (a Cheng substyle) and now i’m starting to learn Liang style. Both are relatively new, Jiang in the last year and Liang in the last month?

Only styles I can tell the difference are of Yin and Cheng. And to my knowledge Yin is percussive and more…strikish. And Cheng is more fluid and about redirecting the opponents center and throws. At least I think thats what it is. What is Jiang and Liang?

[QUOTE=Tao Of The Fist;982137]… and your lucky numbers are 5, 8, 18, 24, 64.[/QUOTE]i’ll take 18, the 3rd from both the left and right sides… the root of 9(number of change) - the element of wood; fires inspiration… fuel. :smiley:

That was pretty well thought out :smiley:

To answer your question Laz, Jiang style is a Cheng substyle that includes some Xingyi flavor to it (they’re sister arts, they work well together). It’s one of the most popular bagua styles out there. It was made by a third generation master Jiang Rong Qiao who’s teacher Zhang Zhaodong (Zhaokui) also combined bagua with xingyi.

Liang style is it’s own style, who’s founder Liang Zhenpu was a student of Dong Haichuan. Unlike Yin Fu and Cheng Tinghua, he didn’t have a whole lot of experience in martial arts when he met Dong, just some tan tui, so his style is more like what Dong practiced. Dong usually only taught experienced martial artists, Yin Fu did Luohan Shaolin, Cheng Tinghua did Shuai Jiao, etc. Liang was kind of an exception, and his last student. The other thing about Liang is that he also learned from his older classmates, which is why you see Swimming Body and 64 Linear form and things like that.

Ah yes I have seen Swimming Dragon and the linear forms…are the linear forms just the normal Bagua forms without circle walking?

[QUOTE=Tao Of The Fist;982145]Jiang style (a Cheng substyle) and now i’m starting to learn Liang style. Both are relatively new, Jiang in the last year and Liang in the last month?[/QUOTE]

Hey Tao, are you learning Jiang Style in Monterey Park (Barnes Park)??

[QUOTE=woliveri;982352]Hey Tao, are you learning Jiang Style in Monterey Park (Barnes Park)??[/QUOTE]

No, But I used to live in the Monterey/Carmel area… Is there a group there?

I live in Las Vegas, and my new focus is on Liang style, Jiang was something I picked up from friends and peers. I learned like half of the new form.