simple simple thread
have you tried
on a no-carbs situation or very low carbs situation
doing lots exercise
how did it go?
did you feel ok?
was there energy enough?
please answer your pratical info please
stuff youve tried and seen others trying
also
do pro athletes do atkins?
cos i imagined with so much training they do
they would lack da engergy if they cut so much them carbs
what yall think?
atkins sucks ass. Your body was made to take in both carbs and protiens. Anyone who tells you different has something to sell. the key i sportions - 30 grams of carbs, 14 grams of protiens…
Re: ATKINS and exercise
Originally posted by Volcano Admim
do pro athletes do atkins?
You have to look at who and why Atkins fomulated his diet plan.It was not created for pro athletes(nor do most have problems controling their weight) nor is it beneficial for most endurance or power athletes.What the whole low carb diet gurus have highlighted is perhaps the large amount or refined carbos present in many sedentry workers diets.While also highlighting how little fresh fruit and vegatables are present.Its brought about a fresh approach to how we look at the different types of fats, and their nutritional benefits in moderate consumption.
You might find this interesting,form the AIS in Aus re: Zone Diet(yeah different from Atkins by still mainly Low Carbs)
http://www.ausport.gov.au/fulltext/2001/ascpub/FactZone.asp
Hope thats of use
The English rugby team was put on the atkins diet, right before the started to rule again.
Or so my pro atkins, pro rugby but anti English instructor tells me.
Satan said to Doctor Atkins;
“Thanks for sucking my balls.”
Without carbs, your body switches over to burning ketones (fat) as energy. I tried a ketogenic diet (atkins is the hollywood term for ketogenic) a few years back while weightlifting and found that my explosive energy levels and stamina mostly disappeared. It took a huge amount of physical and mental effort to go to the gym and work out. Intensity levels were alot lower. But hey, the diet worked and I ended up maintaining my strength while losing fat.. It was just not fun. On a plus side of the diet, the hunger pangs were pretty much non-existent since my body was in permanent fat burning mode whether I ate or not..
On a side note, the inuit people of north america have lived on this type of diet for many thousands of years, seeing that their ground is rock and permanently frozen, they cannot grow fruits or vegetables. Hell, there aren’t any trees up there either for the most part.
As for KungFu, I wouldn’t try this diet while training, but that’s just me and other people’s bodies react differently to different situations. If you’re thinking about it, try it for a week or a few and see if it is for you or not…
Im on a Anti-Atkins diet. If its got some carbs and/or protien, Im probably eating it, I happen to like having energy. This Atkins crap seems like it would work if you just sit a desk all day and use next to no physically energy, except walking down the hall to grab another doughnut or some candy bars from the vending machine 
Re: ATKINS and exercise
Originally posted by Volcano Admim
[B]simple simple thread
have you tried
on a no-carbs situation or very low carbs situation
doing lots exercise
how did it go?
did you feel ok?
was there energy enough?
please answer your pratical info please
stuff youve tried and seen others trying
also
do pro athletes do atkins?
cos i imagined with so much training they do
they would lack da engergy if they cut so much them carbs
what yall think? [/B]
ahha…did hard core..as in down to 5gms a day…enough energy for a nz army recruitment and extra curricular fight club , hiit at the park , bag work, daily runs x 5kms + and some bwe…don’t recommend it thogh , weight went down to 41 kgs ( pls see pic posted a bit back) and ended up blowing it all throgh what western society calls anorexia and consequentially spent many months in hospital ( not of own volition) putting on 21 kgs before I couldn’teat any more and did a ninja over the wall…
a modified ketosis plan is fine…don’t go under 20gms , and no less than 10 on light day… works to rip , but just don’t forget your common sense 
Re: Re: ATKINS and exercise
Originally posted by blooming lotus
a modified ketosis plan is fine…don’t go under 20gms , and no less than 10 on light day… works to rip , but just don’t forget your common sense
20g carbohydrates a day is modified ketosis? 20g a day would be pretty deep ketosis. I’d say that 20g carbohydrates a day would be very difficult. What would you eat?
BS…if you see the article posted by Iron or Ford with big muscley guy on pg 1. about how to eat when training and what is found ( carb vs protein) in what.it says something similar, with your av. smaller woman being around 50 ish kgs give or take…going by figures of /2 portion for women, 20 gms a day is ample..for a modified ketosis or a hard core plan for a larger person, 20 gms is totally acceptable…
ps. caught a doco this morn on lower blood proteins in women vs men, the effects of alchol and medicines on levels and recc intakes etc…I think there’s something in that fr the athlete…gotta fly…more later
Originally posted by blooming lotus
… with your av. smaller woman being around 50 ish kgs …
Oh, I’m sorry. I forgot that Xebby was your average 50kg smaller woman. Good advice. :rolleyes:
or a harder core plan for a larger person…I can’t see him in person so be a little realistic and cut me some slack…
see with the majority of you sports geniuses, between us it goes it goes a little “it’s black " say the boys…“actually , it’s a little grey and has some white in some places”…says bl…to which the boys emphatically swear it can only be black and only ever was, until they accidently forgot they were diagreeing and go " perhaps it’s a little grey around the edges, and there may even be a little white in there”…and when confronted about that , they say " I mean it’s black and if i said grey I mean because black is the obvious foundation of grey, making it really still black, and if I say white , it’s because black in absecnce ( appearing white) is still infact black and or vice versa"…
in summary…go have a toss…the plan works and so long as the guy doesn’t go crazy about it, he’ll be sweet and shed the pounds he was wanting to …
Originally posted by blooming lotus
ps. caught a doco this morn on lower blood proteins in women vs men, the effects of alchol and medicines on levels and recc intakes etc…I think there’s something in that for the athlete…gotta fly…more later
as I was saying…I don’t how relevant it is to most of you , except for the girls , personal trainers and any one else who likes to have half a clue what they’re talking about, I’m sure it’ll be good to know…generally speaking the standard has for so long been a protein 1 hour post and a complex carb 1-2 hrs post workout…
If low protein in women ( ??? see todays play list cctv China ) - means women will get drunker faster as clearly stated not to be misunderstood, ovbiously protein inhibits alcohol absorbtion and respectively excess blood protein is directly relative ( probably because of increased viscosity) could be aided by alcohol ( why men can often drink much more ) to assist in metabolism… as per earlier argumets made on these boards…
Therefore - men more likely to need less protein than women respectively, eg: rather than the 1.25 gm per kg of bw I normally do myself on a full routine, post workout and x several times a day…and replace that with a higher complex carb intake ( in maintenance or building)…also makes sense because men have more muscles and womens’ blood is taxed differently…
I have stated prior that a red wine breaks down protein and for those who hadn’t read it prior …there’s your link or reference point…I think that by doing this, because the liver ( blood filter central) gestation period of breakdown is so short it doesn’t leave enough time to sufficiently break down those extra proteins ( essential to a high vol regime) or the useless protein wastes and other crap you tend to get with it, and so the alcohol creates something like a false liver effect but in your stomache…resulting in a break down and burn off with max absorbtion in shorter time…
no doubt you 'd like to argue, but there’s the information and reference, do with it what you like…
I’d like to wipe my arse with it.
But I won’t give it the benefit of printing it off.
you know serps… I don’t ever recall you being supportive or saying a nice word about anyone…and you wonder why I won’t give you an on-line assesment???..how exactly are you dealing with that inner rage you’re keeping, what do you suppose caused it, and how do you figure it makes you anything more than a subject of interest…
girl???..domestic violence???..
don’t feel bad, and hate me anyway but, I think you’re okay anyway
Lol @ Eyebrows.
I try, but you make it so hard. The first paragraph makes pretty much no sense at all. Can you rephrase it in English? What exactly are you trying to say? Then your “conclusion” from the nonsensical paragraph is men need less protein than women? Ooookay.
Originally posted by blooming lotus
[B]If low protein in women ( ??? see todays play list cctv China ) - means women will get drunker faster as clearly stated not to be misunderstood, ovbiously protein inhibits alcohol absorbtion and respectively excess blood protein is directly relative ( probably because of increased viscosity) could be aided by alcohol ( why men can often drink much more ) to assist in metabolism… as per earlier argumets made on these boards…
Therefore - men more likely to need less protein than women respectively …[/B]
P.S. I liked the reference you gave. That’d stand up in any bibliography.
NOT WORK SAFE!!!
(don’t click this link at work)
Originally posted by blooming lotus
[B]you know serps… I don’t ever recall you being supportive or saying a nice word about anyone…and you wonder why I won’t give you an on-line assesment???..how exactly are you dealing with that inner rage you’re keeping, what do you suppose caused it, and how do you figure it makes you anything more than a subject of interest…
girl???..domestic violence???..
don’t feel bad, and hate me anyway but, I think you’re okay anyway [/B]
I say lots of nice things about lots of people. I was nice to Toby, even though he’s a little b!tch. I was nice to Ford and sad to see him go. There’s lots of other examples. You see, it’s just you that I’m nasty too. And that’s because you’re nasty. You get back what you put out there, lady - I’d have thought you knew that, being all Buddhist and everything.
Inner rage, eh? Is that a little assessment that you let slip there? Pretty funny. It’s not rage. Can you have a long, hard think and guess what it actually is.
Not what you’d like it to be.
What it is.
Oooh, oooh, oooh, Mr Kot-ter!
Is it contempt?
Disdain?
Repugnance?
Revulsion?
… or love :D.
i think it’s just gas.