Aye. Everyone, lets not project your thoughts onto what i am doing.
Obviousy Mr. Jacobs–Ng Mui is the source, in our research. She passed the art down to someone who further modified it. But Again Ng Mui and Miu Shun may not actually be people. They may be methaphors for Systems of combat. The goal isnt to prove they existed. Thats irrelavant. And honestly i dont like your tone. THis isnt “My Oral Tradition”–I have publicaly expained the organization i represent, and the work we are doing and why.
THis research has nothing to do with Non Ng Mui systems of wing Chun.
I understand that everyones referance point in america is that , A Group will take oral Tradition, than use it to suggest they are the oldest and the “Most” Original. Tie there tradition to the old “Shaolin Money Machine” Then Sell books, videos, make Money, host seminars. Than will add a Lineage of Ancestors that cant be Traced. Than Cant offer Technical expanations of why, their said Oral Tradition was true or their system is the oldest, nor can explain why there system contains modern inovations.
This isnt the case Here. So everyone. Relax…Ommmmmmm.
If you feel threatened by the Research, perhaps you need to do some soul Searching about where your insecurities come from.
I agree Oral Tradition in itself is no better than anyone elses.
At this Point, the AWCKRI doesnt dispute WCK coming from Shaolin or not. I dont Know and Dont care at this point.
What i am saying is that out of 16 Major WCK lineages 10 of them name Ng Mui as an ancestor. 3 of those include Chi Shim also. 2 Others suggest only Chi Shim. Out of the remaining 4, 2 trace the system to Tan Sau Ng and 1 to a Totaly unknown Monk and 1 from Vietnam mixes and matchs info from all sorts of various traditions..
We are simpling showing that the Ng Mui , if not an actualy person, is a metaphor relateing to the White Crane system. And that the White Crane System is the Ancestor to at least 12 major Wing Chun Lineages. The other 4 “Non Ng Mui version” system are non of my buisiness.
Now Where does the WHite Crane Sysem come from?? Again. i dont have a Clue. Shaolin??? I dont know. Written records from Weng Chun County, suggest it was created by using 18 Lo Han fist, with Crane Movements. It didnt contain anyforms. Was completly San Sik based (Just like several very old Wing Chun SYstems), and could be trained in 2 man Sets, on the JOng or with Knives. The system was Jing Based as well as conceptual. Exaclty like Cheung Bo, Mai Gai Wong, WOng Jing, Pan Nam, Yuen Kay San, Yiu Kay, Kulo, Non Chan wah Shun- Leung Jan lineages from Foshan, ect
For the first time, in the History of the Wing Chun system, we are Actualy Proving, in a “More likely than not senario”, that one of Wing Chuns parents , is The Ancesral White Crane System. By Proving i mean, we are doing a Technical breakdown, with comparing and contrasting the 2 systems. And show by the Engine, Concepts, Principles, Physical Shape/structure, and Kuen Kuit.
The Oral tradition found in All WCK branchs, has never been substantiated. This will be the first time. The Organization that is doing the Research is differant from any to exist. There are No schools attached to the Research facility. There fore, NO rice bowls to protect. This is a Multi national based organization.
The group is made up of 20-30 people currently, from EVERY major WCK lineage. The only Criterion for joining is you have to have a Provable/Traceable Lineage. Your System, also must be found In China, or Taiwan. So for example if you are a system of Wing Chun, that states you are the oldest system in the World, and yet you are only found in America ,That doesnt cut it. If you state you are found in China, but your Super Secret and Noone knows where your hidding, that doesnt cut it. If you have a list of Ancestors, and cant provide any proof of their existance, that doesnt cut it.
Let me give a concret example. Yuen Kay shan had 2 Sifu. The Town/Government documents, in Foshan document this as well as his fathers buisiness. Its also substantiated by His Grandson, as well as his Only Diciple Sum Nung, as well as by 15 grandstudents. He has his lineage preserved in China, as we can go to Guangdong or even H.K and find his art still being taught. We know YKS had interactions with several other famous Kung Fu masters , one from Northern Mantis. The Chin Wu preserve his system via a student of Sum Nung.
Or Lets take Chu Chong Man. Easy To trace. He owned a buisness. His Sifu, Master Dong, was a well known Florest, that numerous WCK masters knew as well as Other Kung Fu masters. And there is physical proof of him being a Wing chun Sifu. Photos of Him doing the Jong and Pole. Chu hanging out with other Wing Chun sifu like Yip Man. Again, his decendents are still teaching in China, H.K and even in the USA.
So…Relax and remember
“We are the Seeds of Fire, Blowing in the Wind”
You are correct. I know the YKS system has Old school ancestral white crane in its foundation. BUT, im not an expert on Crane , and so want to do the research along side my fellow Crane brothers and sisters.