Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
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I thought that certain jabs were an exception to this, since they aren’t really used for whomping, but rather for measuring distance and finding openings.
Still, that’s a pretty trivial quibble, even if it is true. [/B]
you can use the hip in a jab. I’ve gotten a KO off of a jab.
Wouldn’t using the hip with a jab make it straight punch, and not necessarily a jab? Or am I being too anal about the definition?
Originally posted by Royal Dragon
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You guys need to go see Wai Lun Choi, I obviously can’t explain the difference in the writen word, it’s beyond my abilities. Theres a whole accordian like, expansion - contraction thing going on in internal arts that is just not seen in external arts like Boxing. I don’t know how to describe it so you understand here.
I know what you’re talking about - the whipping of the spine and such. lack of spine whipping in no means indicates that a person is punching with the limbs…the mechanics of the punch may be different, but it’s not a limb punch.
Boxers are external. If they are not generating power with the limbs, than why do they need to lift so many weights?
I’m not gonna reply to that in hopes that it’s not a serious question.
On Boxing
Hips are driven by the legs - Last time I looked, legs are limbs.
Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
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I thought that certain jabs were an exception to this, since they aren’t really used for whomping, but rather for measuring distance and finding openings.
Still, that’s a pretty trivial quibble, even if it is true. [/B]
Depends on the trainer, actually. I was taught to drop-step and use the hips on my jab, so it’s pretty stiff. I can walk you all over the room if I want with a jab (and you’re not really hitting me back 
). In fact, for those of you who do Xing-Yi, a drop-step jab and a chicken-step beng are remarkably similar.
Nope. See opening and closing the qua. Or don’t you know what that is either, RD?
edit: that was a little too petulant. What I mean is that it’s very possible to drive your hips without using your legs, and many boxing trainers do in fact teach you how to do that. If you’ve ever gone to a boxing gym you’d know that, hence my earlier point.
Ok, the windy city boxing gym. I know what you are talking about that place is pretty legendary.
RD, physical training for the body is common in tachi. I read an article on Chen style training in Chen village and it mentioned the taichi guys getting up in the morning and running doing pushups etc.
Isn’t internal fajing power a combo of Li(muscular force) and song(relaxation). I read a book(don’t remeber which one might have been “KF elements”). Where they said the more muscular force you have the more potential you have to turn it into apllicable power to the martial arts. Makes sense to me especially if you put it in an equation
fajing=song+Li
Everyone who is “in the know” knows it’s not the muscles which provides movement to the skeletal structure, but the tendons and ligaments.
Oh, RD. Just by standing up, you’re pushing against the ground with the legs, right?
Originally posted by MasterKiller
Wouldn’t using the hip with a jab make it straight punch, and not necessarily a jab? Or am I being too anal about the definition?
too anal.:o 
Thanks for the jab stuff, guys - that’s why I hedged my bets by saying SOME jabs don’t have that core/root power in 'em. Why you’re throwing a jab would determine how you throw it, which come to think of it is probably true for any technique.
A lot of it comes down to your genetic make-up and natural gifts too. Some people (Shane Mosely) come to mind who just have phenomenal handspeed and thus use their jab differently than I do mine. I’m more of an infighter so I want to use it to batter your defense down and close the gap to either throw, clinch, or pound the snot out of you.
Little things like that color how you use the jab (like any technique).
“Everyone who is “in the know” knows it’s not the muscles which provides movement to the skeletal structure, but the tendons and ligaments”
I group all thins under muscular force since when I do strength training such as lifting weights you train the muscles, tendons, ligaments, bones etc.
I group all thins under muscular force since when I do strength training such as lifting weights you train the muscles, tendons, ligaments, bones etc.
:eek: Weight training is of the devil . . . !:eek:
Boxing is rooted in the foot, launched by the legs, directed by the waist, urged by the shoulder and expressed through the fingers.
-The Taiji Classics
So by RD’s definition, Taiji must be an external art.
weight training is of the gods. bodybuilding is of the devil
“So by RD’s definition, Taiji must be an external art.”
Checkmate!!!
Dogtraining is of the dogs.
Except Taiji is suposed to start at the Dantien, and radiate out, not at the feet and move up.
The Classics are lying.
Please break down the differnce then.
I think this discussion would be aided by a summary of people’s positions.
SUMMARY OF ROYAL DRAGON’S POSITION:
Everyone who studies boxing is wrong about what boxing does. Royal Dragon (who hasn’t) is right.
Everyone else who has seen Wai Lun Choi is wrong about what he does. Royal Dragon is right.
Crippled, who’s studied Xing yi, taiji, and boxing, is wrong about what xing yi, taiji, and boxing do. Royal Dragon, who has studied none of these, except taiji, by videotape, is right.
The Taiji Classics are wrong. Royal Dragon is right.
SUMMARY OF EVERYONE ELSE’S POSITION:
Royal Dragon is wrong.
SUMMARY OF FATHERDOG’S POSITION:
Royal Dragon is a tool.